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Balancing bumping and looting mechanics

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#1101 - 2016-02-06 15:46:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Bella Jennie wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
bigbud skunkafella wrote:
name calling and insults are usually resorted to by people who have no decent argument to offer, or are losing the argument, or are just plain ill-mannered, which of these are you?

it's also regarded as flaming or trolling, which the isd has already warned about in this thread. you wouldn't be trying to get this thread closed down for some reason would you? Big smile
Could you please inform your fellow campaigners of this; I, for one, am getting sick of being called a douchebag and a dickhead because my opinions differ from theirs.

I see - but you feel yourself free to discuss my balls.. P
Telling someone to grow a pair is not an insult, it is an idiom used to tell someone they need to do something for themselves. I haven't suggested that you do anything that I, or many of the other posters in this thread, don't or wouldn't do; in fact some of us do the things we suggest almost daily, that's how we know that they work.

Calling myself, and others, douchebags and dickheads because we play within the rules, and disagree with your opinions and suggestions is insulting.

It's childish, it's uncouth, it's rude and there's no need for it; it certainly doesn't help the, somewhat pointless and misguided imho, cause that you're trying to promote.

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Bella Jennie
Doomheim
#1102 - 2016-02-06 15:51:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Bella Jennie
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
bigbud skunkafella wrote:
name calling and insults are usually resorted to by people who have no decent argument to offer, or are losing the argument, or are just plain ill-mannered, which of these are you?

it's also regarded as flaming or trolling, which the isd has already warned about in this thread. you wouldn't be trying to get this thread closed down for some reason would you? Big smile
Could you please inform your fellow campaigners of this; I, for one, am getting sick of being called a douchebag and a dickhead because my opinions differ from theirs.


perhaps my use of "dickhead" while perfect descriptively, was a bit over the top.... Blink

but now you know how us carebears feel whenever the douches call us that in all their vitriolic disdain..

actually though, I like carebear.. it has "care" and teddy bears are cute.. it has a righteous connotation and I'm proud to play in that way..

but for the sake of spicing up the game, I suppose we should be thankful to those who choose to play the douche role.. P

this game currently favors the DOUCHEBAGS
Bella Jennie
Doomheim
#1103 - 2016-02-06 15:55:37 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
bigbud skunkafella wrote:

nothing is impossible just because you say it is.


No, it's impossible because the developers have said it is.

You want an example of what will happen if you mess with the base code of the physics system?

Hit "Ctrl+Alt+Delete", then go into the task manager. From there, find a process (not a program) labeled "Windows Explorer." Then, right click that process and say "end process tree."

That's an accurate approximation of what will happen to EVE if you mess with the base code.

Oh, and if your proposal would add ANY server load whatsoever to the physics checks, you break the base game with lag. ANY check you add to the physics, even if you don't break the code itself, has to be replicated for each and every item, ship, structure, terrain, and every other thing in the game, all at once, all day, every day.

You really should just learn to keep your bad ideas to yourself, carebear.

you are coming off as an expert...

clearly an expert of impossible

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Giaus Felix
Doomheim
#1104 - 2016-02-06 16:02:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Giaus Felix
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Instantaneous transfer of conciousness, warp drives etc, are covered by Clarke's third law* : "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic". An addendum to Clarke's third law, attributed to both Niven and Pratchett is that "Any sufficiently advanced magic is indistinguishable from technology"


Speaking of Niven, he had a few more laws that apply especially well to this thread.

  • There is no cause so right that one cannot find a fool following it
  • No technique works if it isn't used
  • Not responsible for advice not taken

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Bella Jennie
Doomheim
#1105 - 2016-02-06 16:08:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Bella Jennie
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Bella Jennie wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
bigbud skunkafella wrote:
name calling and insults are usually resorted to by people who have no decent argument to offer, or are losing the argument, or are just plain ill-mannered, which of these are you?

it's also regarded as flaming or trolling, which the isd has already warned about in this thread. you wouldn't be trying to get this thread closed down for some reason would you? Big smile
Could you please inform your fellow campaigners of this; I, for one, am getting sick of being called a douchebag and a dickhead because my opinions differ from theirs.

I see - but you feel yourself free to discuss my balls.. P
Telling someone to grow a pair is not an insult, it is an idiom used to tell someone they need to do something for themselves. I haven't suggested that you do anything that I, or many of the other posters in this thread, don't or wouldn't do; in fact some of us do the things we suggest almost daily, that's how we know that they work.

Calling myself, and others, douchebags and dickheads because we play within the rules, and disagree with your opinions and suggestions is insulting.

I's childish, it's uncouth, it's rude and there's no need for it; it certainly doesn't help the, somewhat pointless and misguided imho, cause that you're trying to promote.

douchbag is merely descriptive of the kind of antisocial, bullying, jerk like play many people affect in the Eve universe.

I just don't think "pirate", "villain" or even "ganker", fully captures the essence of the behavior exhibited.

so what's the problem? If you play like a douche, I can't call you a douche?

- and if you DON'T play like a douche, I'm not even talking about you..
why take offense?

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Hopelesshobo
Hoboland
#1106 - 2016-02-06 16:15:31 UTC
Disclaimer: I have read about 2 pages of this threadnaught

baltec1 wrote:


The only evidence posted so far was the RF records from last year that show over 99.9% of trips made were successful. If anything this shows highsec is too safe.

Again I ask you people, why is this change needed when it is already super easy to avoid bumping?


To be fair, what is the ratio of gankers to non gankers in highsec? Also, what is the percentage of successful trips in the other sectors of space with their ratios as well, so we have a fair comparison.

Personally I think it's silly that someone can bump someone for as long as they feel like until they can get people to login without any repercussion. One thing I was thinking of would be to make it so you can still safely log off if you are being locked by someone. From there possibly modifying the PVP timer to not be a fixed 15 minutes, but to make it more of a sliding scale of either your aggression, or the aggression you have received. So, as an example, they wouldn't be able to use an atron with 1 civilian blaster fitted (or a rookie ship if they hand out timers) to keep someone locked down for 15 minutes. Although I would fear what this sort of sliding scale would do in large scale fleet fights to the servers if it was too complex.

Lowering the average to make you look better since 2012.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1107 - 2016-02-06 16:19:14 UTC
Bella Jennie wrote:

are you a game programmer?


Are you? Because I actually have some experience with coding(several years, and half a dozen contracted projects), enough to know that what you carebears are saying is not only a bad idea, but functionally impossible as well.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1108 - 2016-02-06 16:21:42 UTC
Bella Jennie wrote:

So I just want clean, logical BALANCE..


No you don't.

You want to break the game utterly because you are too lazy and too stupid to use the existing counters.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#1109 - 2016-02-06 16:23:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Bella Jennie wrote:
so what's the problem? If you play like a douche, I can't call you a douche?
You certainly hold a high opinion of yourself don't you?

Using your own criteria, your posting habits are those of somebody who acts in the manner you claim to despise; arrogance and obnoxiousness being two of the characteristics of a douchebag.

Quote:
and if you DON'T play like a douche, I'm not even talking about you..
why take offense?
I play within the rules of the game, my personal playstyle consisting of slaughtering NPCs, the gathering/processing of natural resources, and not dying at the hands of my fellow players. In short I am what many consider to be prey, yet you took it upon yourself to label me, personally, a douchebag earlier in the thread, because I think that your opinions and proposals are all kinds of wrong.

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Bella Jennie
Doomheim
#1110 - 2016-02-06 16:25:05 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Bella Jennie wrote:

are you a game programmer?


Are you? Because I actually have some experience with coding(several years, and half a dozen contracted projects), enough to know that what you carebears are saying is not only a bad idea, but functionally impossible as well.


I don't claim any technical knowledge, but I'm quite familiar with gaming and my sense of logic is proven in the real world.

logic convinces me that BUMPING is broken: it's unrealistic and it's a GOOD IDEA to address it.

here is the best analogy I have seen to date:
bigbud skunkafella wrote:

ok, as an experiment, why don't you try going out and finding an overweight old person returning from the grocery store and repeatedly run into them at high speed to prevent them returning home, and see if the police turn up and listen to your argument that they had no right to arrest you because you haven't killed and robbed them, and were only holding them till your gang of criminal associates could arrive to do the actual robbery and murder.

then , when you have been released from custody, let me know how eve bumping mechanics as they stand are totally realistic and sensible from a logical point of view . Smile


As far as "IMPOSSIBLE" - I prefer to leave that to CCP

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Bella Jennie
Doomheim
#1111 - 2016-02-06 16:26:24 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Bella Jennie wrote:

So I just want clean, logical BALANCE..


No you don't.

You want to break the game utterly because you are too lazy and too stupid to use the existing counters.

I say yes

you say no

oh my! Shocked

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Bella Jennie
Doomheim
#1112 - 2016-02-06 16:28:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Bella Jennie
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Bella Jennie wrote:
so what's the problem? If you play like a douche, I can't call you a douche?
You certainly hold a high opinion of yourself don't you?

Using your own criteria, your posting habits are those of somebody who acts in the manner you claim to despise; arrogance and obnoxiousness being two of the characteristics of a douchebag.

Quote:
and if you DON'T play like a douche, I'm not even talking about you..
why take offense?
I play within the rules of the game, my personal playstyle consisting of slaughtering NPCs, the gathering/processing of natural resources, and not dying at the hands of my fellow players. In short I am what many consider to be prey, yet you took it upon yourself to label me, personally, a douchebag earlier in the thread, because I think that your opinions and proposals are all kinds of wrong.

wow.. watch it..

you're acting all butthurt over a few words...

next thing you'll be open to being called a CAREBEAR!!! Shocked

Anyway, from your description of the play style you choose.. I have no beef with you..
- and certainly my reference to "douchebags" does not apply to you.

The net of this is that we have differing opinions..

Fly safe, friend

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1113 - 2016-02-06 16:30:52 UTC
Bella Jennie wrote:

I don't claim any technical knowledge, but I'm quite familiar with gaming and my sense of logic is proven in the real world.


Well, the last two are pretty clearly a lie.


Quote:

logic convinces me that BUMPING is broken: it's unrealistic and it's a GOOD IDEA to address it.


That's not logic, that's your selfishness and projection talking.

Basically it's your feelings, which are the polar opposite of logic. And they mean absolutely nothing, I might add, since this isn't tumblr.


Quote:

As far as "IMPOSSIBLE" - I prefer to leave that to CCP


They've said as much many times, they cannot change the base code.

You might be so ignorant as to think that your spewing tears all over this thread can change reality, but I'm not and neither are they.

Reals > Feels, carebear.

Get used to it.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#1114 - 2016-02-06 16:32:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Bella Jennie wrote:

wow.. watch it..

you're acting all butthurt over a few words...
No butthurt, just facts.

Quote:
next thing you'll be open to being called a CAREBEAR!!! Shocked
I may be a bear, but I'm no carebear.

Carebear isn't a playstyle, it's an attitude which dictates the game changes to suit you, rather than you change to suit the game.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Bella Jennie
Doomheim
#1115 - 2016-02-06 16:36:18 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Bella Jennie wrote:

I don't claim any technical knowledge, but I'm quite familiar with gaming and my sense of logic is proven in the real world.


Well, the last two are pretty clearly a lie.


Quote:

logic convinces me that BUMPING is broken: it's unrealistic and it's a GOOD IDEA to address it.


That's not logic, that's your selfishness and projection talking.

Basically it's your feelings, which are the polar opposite of logic. And they mean absolutely nothing, I might add, since this isn't tumblr.


Quote:

As far as "IMPOSSIBLE" - I prefer to leave that to CCP


They've said as much many times, they cannot change the base code.

You might be so ignorant as to think that your spewing tears all over this thread can change reality, but I'm not and neither are they.

Reals > Feels, carebear.

Get used to it.


if I'm an ignorant, lazy, selfish liar; why do you even bother to engage me?

this game currently favors the DOUCHEBAGS
Bella Jennie
Doomheim
#1116 - 2016-02-06 16:38:00 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Bella Jennie wrote:

wow.. watch it..

you're acting all butthurt over a few words...
No butthurt, just facts.

Quote:
next thing you'll be open to being called a CAREBEAR!!! Shocked
I may be a bear, but I'm no carebear.

Carebear isn't a playstyle, it's an attitude which dictates the game changes to suit you, rather than you change to suit the game.

you think getting deeply into the definition of "CAREBEAR" serves the topic of this thread?

this game currently favors the DOUCHEBAGS
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1117 - 2016-02-06 16:38:47 UTC
Bella Jennie wrote:

if I'm an ignorant, lazy, selfish liar; why do you even bother to engage me?


Because it amuses me to watch you flail around and making a fool of yourself.

Also, because I don't like lying. Some poor new player might come on here, see your nonsense, and not know any better. People like you are the true "griefers" in EVE Online, constantly lying to new players and trying to get them to bore themselves to death.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
bigbud skunkafella
Utama Incorporated
Astral Alliance
#1118 - 2016-02-06 16:40:38 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Bella Jennie wrote:



[quote]
As far as "IMPOSSIBLE" - I prefer to leave that to CCP


They've said as much many times, they cannot change the base code.


as far as i am aware, logging hi-speed collisions against capital ships in hisec wouldnt involve changing any base code or physics code because these are things/events that are already recorded by the server . its really just a case of adding a new flag to the crimewatch flagging system .
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1119 - 2016-02-06 16:42:23 UTC
bigbud skunkafella wrote:
logging hi-speed collisions against capital ships in hisec wouldnt involve changing any base code or physics code because these are things/events that are already recorded by the server .


Yeah, all those physics actions totally don't have any code in them, it just happens by magic, because "the server".

You people appall me.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#1120 - 2016-02-06 16:43:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Bella Jennie wrote:
.you think getting deeply into the definition of "CAREBEAR" serves the topic of this thread?
You suggested I would be open to being called a carebear, you obviously thought it served the topic of this thread.

You have my rebuttal to your suggestion.

Given your subsequent post in which you determine the definition of carebear is off topic, I'm going to report your post suggesting that I was open to being a carebear, and my own rebuttal to the ISD team, who can decide whether or not it was on or off topic.

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