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Dev Blog: Exploring The Character Bazaar & Skill Trading

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Costanza
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#6441 - 2016-02-02 21:27:26 UTC
Vanessa Mangeiri wrote:
If you remove all the SP for a skill is the skill removed?

Or does it still remain injected?

Those of us with OCD would like to know.


I'm curious as well, but have a feeling it will remain injected.
NUBIARN
Brutal Ballerinas
#6442 - 2016-02-02 22:05:31 UTC  |  Edited by: NUBIARN
its a interesting paradox for me, nubiarn eveboard

I currently sit on 222mil sp and am ranked 115 on eveboard, so I`m pretty happy with that as I have been playing eve since jan 2004.

My first reactions to these changes was ###grrrrr ahhhahaaaaaaaa. but thinking about it for a while I now find myself torn on my thoughts towards these changes. on one hand as above I am really proud of this char I created back in 2004 and hold it dear, yes I probably should seek medical attention but that how I feel about nubs, this char has grown and been built over 12 years and done most activities eve has to offer, and yes I even enjoyed the game when it was grind in the early days, I still remember when a battleship was a corp ship that few pilots had and that was my ultimate goal to own a raven!! now these changes do take that away from new pilots, surely the enjoyment to me has been on the path to having the character I have now.

however on the flip side I can see that new pilots don`t seem to want to wait, and don't seem to appreciate the journey is as fun as the destination, and to be honest and this is the rub thinking about it I can understand their feelings, as everyone was on a level playing field in 2004 and the vets from then never had to compete with chars that are 12 years older than them, [interesting I got blown up by a noob in fw recently which made me laugh histerically at home the other week so sometime low sp pilots can hold their own with older chars]

now here comes the dilemma for me, do I hold onto wants dear to me in the above stats of my char or do I adapt to new mechanics and recycle my unused alts. as even with the sp loss I can still inject over 75mil into nubs from unused alts!! will this action detatch me from the specialness I feel for my character? interesting time ahead with many choices to make.

which means I also close the accounts that io don't use as those chars are just well training for the sake of training, so that's a loss to net income for ccp, I wonder if anyone else is thinking along those lines?

another thought I had is looking at my above post this is definetly different from the character bizzarr in just about every way possible!!

just me 2cents worth whilst sitting down thinking
Mayaky
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#6443 - 2016-02-02 22:40:45 UTC
Why do people keep saying this will make Eve pay2win? This is just an alternate (and probably a better) way to the current Character Bazaar. If people had enough isks (or $$) to build up a char from scratch, they could probably have also just went to the character bazaar and bought another char. Except now I don't have to scroll through pages of bazaar forum to find a char that kind of fits my needs, and probably with a stupid name, and then still have to go through the bidding and all the shenanigans and the wait time.

Being able to buy stuff with isk does not make Eve pay2win, because, as it has always been, soft skills and knowledge of game mechanics are far more important than isks and SP. Sure people could spend $$ to buy plex for isk, but so what? Knowing how to use it is another story.
TheDamned
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#6444 - 2016-02-03 04:17:57 UTC
NUBIARN wrote:


now here comes the dilemma for me, do I hold onto wants dear to me in the above stats of my char or do I adapt to new mechanics and recycle my unused alts. as even with the sp loss I can still inject over 75mil into nubs from unused alts!! will this action detatch me from the specialness I feel for my character? interesting time ahead with many choices to make.

which means I also close the accounts that io don't use as those chars are just well training for the sake of training, so that's a loss to net income for ccp, I wonder if anyone else is thinking along those lines?

another thought I had is looking at my above post this is definetly different from the character bizzarr in just about every way possible!!
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Or, you cash in on your alts, keep your main the way he is and use the funds from your alts to accomplish anything you may otherwise not have been able to?

With 6mil sp I cant imagine have 222million lol

Tylus Lemmont
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#6445 - 2016-02-04 17:52:37 UTC
I totally understand why a lot of people are enraged by this... But isn't anyone else seeing how this update is going to create more content? I can just about smell the ratting carriers exploding all through null sec and low class wspace... Have you all seen the number of carriers and dreads on SiSi since people cheat skilled into caps? I have two thoughts about this;

1. Yay! I'm going to tech into a large weapon system so I can finally fly a battleship.
2. Yay! Pay2Win players are still going to suck at Eve and I'm going to burn in their caps instead of their t1 cruisers!
BearStrikesBack
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#6446 - 2016-02-05 06:39:24 UTC
Any info about AUR price of extractors?
pajedas
Doomheim
#6447 - 2016-02-05 17:53:46 UTC
BearStrikesBack wrote:
Any info about AUR price of extractors?

The extractors and injectors should be free or something silly like 100 isk. How can CCP even consider charging real money for something that was introduced as a way of improving content? Also, it's just stupid to decrease the returns for SP's. Are you saying that a higher skilled player can't learn (through injection) as well as a newer player? Kind of insulting isn't it?

You stick with the, "Skills are based on 'real-time' training" but then you take away time? So the training was done in real-time, and a newer player gets 1 hour for 1 hour...but older players get a % of that "actual" time?

How does that even make sense? What if I wanted to extract my own skills from an area that I feel was wasted and inject them into my new priority? Why should I lose a percentage when "I" did the training on a 1:1 basis?

Come on CCP, think about it. If in the future this idea is deemed progressive you will make more money. Don't take a quick fix to the detriment of your loyal player base.

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Memphis Baas
#6448 - 2016-02-05 20:51:02 UTC
Leonardo Adami
Doomheim
#6449 - 2016-02-06 01:37:11 UTC
Was a huge supporter of these until the price came out. CCP lies again. Seriously F**k y'all for lying saying these were for newbros. They're not. You're just after money.
Vabanaz Arjar
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#6450 - 2016-02-06 10:11:20 UTC
Now people get angry because it's not cheap enough, hilarious! Big smile
If those things don't sell as expected they will throw in a 10% discount every now and then. So don't worry they'll make sure that you're able to buy those things.

I'll be there to laugh at CPP Management when they realize they are broke because the majority of the loyal customers left. Only problem is it requires a certain ability of self-criticism to learn from those kind of fails and most managers are unable to accept that it was their fault - so they will probably never understand what did go wrong.

The only interesting thing for me right now is which company will aquire the EvE-Brand after CPP has successfully failed.
Yaosus
From Hisec with Love Holdings
From Hisec with Love Coalition
#6451 - 2016-02-06 10:27:17 UTC
A bunch of frustrated individuals scared that the new players will take their booty. CIKIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINS!!!

ONE THING TO REMEMBER : You need SKILL and coordination in Eve to be successful.

A vast majority of the eve players thrive on being cocky and brag about their 200 mil SP char who can 1 shot anything. Mewhahahahahahaha.

Eve will be more accessible now to new players and more DYNAMIC. Hold on to your breeches the noobs will bring huge di*do shaped ships in nullsec and make you run in fear screaming and holding your "wormhole" en route to hisec. Ahahahahahahahaha ... Mewhahahahah.


A great decision.



I already put aside 2 grand to turn my main into a super pilot. BOOOHOOO1
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#6452 - 2016-02-06 10:42:27 UTC
Leonardo Adami wrote:
Was a huge supporter of these until the price came out. CCP lies again. Seriously F**k y'all for lying saying these were for newbros. They're not. You're just after money.


The money grab was obvious since CCP said that extractors would cost AUR, rather than have their BPs seeded into Tranquility so they became player manufactued items.
Samsara Toldya
Academy of Contradictory Behaviour
#6453 - 2016-02-06 13:16:41 UTC
Quote from the Devblog of CCP Rise:
Quote:
That part really hits home for me because when I made that jump from 15mil SP to 33mil SP I went from being called β€˜Turbo Dinosaur’ to being called β€˜Kil2’. Puke.


'Kil2' had 19.4m SP the moment it was sold to 'Turbo Dinosaur' for 3b ISK + transfer fee.
I know what you bought 2007

3 month later 'Turbo Dinosaur' was sold (back?) for 3.25b ISK to 'kil2' + transfer fee.

Fast forward to feb 9th:
Instead of buying 'Kil2' with his corp theft history CCP Rise would only need to buy 45 skill injectors.
That's 45 extractors worth 35955-44955 Aurum + whatever players will charge for 500k SP.

(~500k SP new charakter + 9 injectors (500k each) to reach 5m SP + 36 injectors (400k each) to reach 19.4m SP)

That's 10-13 PLEX for extractors alone.

How many rookies will be able to do the same progression in 2016?

Quote:
or someone like me who just realized that they would rather fly Armageddon’s than Stilettos, this feature has you covered. This all fits nicely to our overall game design philosophy of giving you control over your experience through cooperation and competition with each other.


I see Roll
Subrahmaya Chandrasekhar
#6454 - 2016-02-06 21:55:27 UTC
So.
When I first started in the fall of 2008, it was awesome to witness the presence of the pilots who had started in 2004. Their ships and what they could do with them, my imagination still staggers with the memory of how it felt to watch the docking and undocking at Jita 4-4
There was a tradition, a knowledge that those who had given their time to the community, who had molded their character, gone through the pain and reached for success, a knowledge they had stood the test of the burning fires of time and shown their will, their endurance, their heart.
I fear that greatness may now be diminished

Maybe the time has come for me to sail into the west
qsanq
qcazz
#6455 - 2016-02-06 22:23:07 UTC
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pajedas
Doomheim
#6456 - 2016-02-07 01:50:51 UTC
Leonardo Adami wrote:
Was a huge supporter of these until the price came out. CCP lies again. Seriously F**k y'all for lying saying these were for newbros. They're not. You're just after money.

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Zozoll Neblyn
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#6457 - 2016-02-07 07:09:23 UTC
I agree there is a chance I might unsub too. Not out of rage. Just out of boredom. Once every problem can be solved by getting out my credit card, the game no longer holds the same excitement. I'm already starting to play other video games more frequently, and log onto Eve less.

That's neither a threat, nor a promise. I think they designed a great game and they deserve to make all the money they can out of it, but this new direction may prove not to be very fun for me.



Trevier Bardou wrote:
Ok, now as I'm aware about it, I wanna throw my hat into the ring aswell

I know, i paused the game for a longer period again (due to my personal time management), and started on Dec 4th with my 3 alts because I always loved the concept of this whole sandbox universe.
Why did I came back the 3rd time, after being some time "offline"?
Because of the charms Eve had in the past and because I'm convinced than Eve has a concept who can substain some more time
More than this, I thought it might be a good idea to talk to some real-live friends if they wanna start with eve. And, surprise, they started with eve on the 6th and 7th of Dec, having fun since then in a cool sandbox universe!

PLEASE considere: Eve is the only MMO were you have such a this long time motivation, fair to said other games have other things, but this makes Eve precious and unique, defferent of the other 1000th MMOs

If SP trading will be made posible this means:
- Pay to win!
- No one cares about any Alt decisions you made, as you can easily create a new account and transfer everything to the new account.
- Past of Eve Alts will be rewriten as players actions will be forgotten as the numbers of new Alts will emerge once and once again, creating tons of new accounts and old accounts will be deleted in order to free space for the next new alt.
- Players community will definitively descend, as you are not gonna met old pales ever again, motivation to play with good ingame friends will be about 0, as you will find you entire friendlist get distracted if they persist in eve.

So this will mean for us, being a player with some years of experience and 4 folks who started right away, a point of no return / discussion.
If Eve implements this Pay4Win feature, then we will move along and try some of the other new emerging MMOs




It would cost quite a lot of real money to actually trade out the skills on a high SP character. At 20 m SP, you're looking at buying 38 extractors to get your new character up to 15 m SP (The last 5 m won't transfer). Assuming you buy them in bulk and buy 40 of them, you've spent 32000 Aur. Or almost 9 PLEX.

That's for a fairly low SP character.




BearStrikesBack
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#6458 - 2016-02-07 07:49:02 UTC
Can someone (preferably who tested it on test server) clarify one thing: Assume I have 79KK trained SP. I consume 3 injectors, which gives me about 1kk free SP (300k per item). I don't allocate free SP, still having 79kk SP trained and about 1kk free.

So, the question is very simple - how much would I get from the 4th injector? 300 (as I have 79kk SP trained) or 150 (as I have 79+1 total SP)?
George Gouillot
MASS
Pandemic Horde
#6459 - 2016-02-07 08:24:43 UTC  |  Edited by: George Gouillot
BearStrikesBack wrote:
Can someone (preferably who tested it on test server) clarify one thing: Assume I have 79KK trained SP. I consume 3 injectors, which gives me about 1kk free SP (300k per item). I don't allocate free SP, still having 79kk SP trained and about 1kk free.

So, the question is very simple - how much would I get from the 4th injector? 300 (as I have 79kk SP trained) or 150 (as I have 79+1 total SP)?


150 - unallocated SP count towards the limits. At least they do on SiSi.
BearStrikesBack
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#6460 - 2016-02-07 09:02:36 UTC
Yeah, thank you. Tested already by myself.

Well played CCP, so much hypocrisy, so much words about new content and that SP is not coming from nowhere (and other blah-blah-blah) with a single idea - to get more money.

Hello 2010 again? Oculars for 15$ as new (desired by players) content? Are we gonna see some inside job done again?

P.S. Year 2016. You still can't change your ingame name in Eve Online. You can transfer character, but not change the name.