Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I'm discussing facts, not what you deem as facts. Try being a little clearer on future, as it seems you know it's not a crime.
I'm still asking for evidence from your side, as to why this needs changing. Balance and fundamental changes to the game, should not be based on specific special circumstances, viewed alone. We need to look at the whole to understand if it is indeed a problem.

So please, provide that evidence. I'm sure we'll all be glad to see it.

So discussing the topic and providing evidence, is derailing it?
Unlike wrecks, which your side tinfoilded over and which was removed?

I know your argument is weak, but those types of posts only highlight it more. Try staying on topic please.

You can't play Eve without engaging in PvP of one form or another, that is by design and is the considered opinion of the Devs.



That's a hyperbolic falsehood. Miners are treated according to how they act, a miner who is afk in a max yield barge or exhumer is treated as being dumb and lazy; because this is a PvP game where going afk is dumb and lazy. A miner who is at the keyboard, packing a tank and aware of their surroundings is generally treated with more respect.

If you want to be safe in hisec, take steps to ensure your safety.

Please read the new player FAQ and other such related info from CCP, then you can tell me if I'm wrong. There is also a famous Falcon punch post, that will say the same. Most of which have already been posted in this thread. But seeing as facts are not your bag, I won't be holding my breath for when you admit being wrong.

Please stop with the ill conceived RL comparisons. They always fail and do not add to the discussion. Thank you.

I'm not being contrary at all, you asked if there was a way to play Eve without engaging in PvP, I answered your question; complete with a quote from the New Player FAQ that states everything you do in New Eden is to be considered a form of PvP, because that's the core concept of the game.

That quote is not disputable, and I can provide others from the same official CCP document that further reinforce what it says.

You stated that miners are treated as stupid and lazy, I pointed out that's what generally happens to people who are being stupid and lazy in a PvP environment such as Eve; just as it's what happens to people who are stupid and lazy in real life. I also pointed out that a miner who knows that Eve is a PvP environment and plans accordingly is often treated with respect.

Your last point was that you wanted to be safe in hisec, I pointed out that your safety in hisec is your responsibility and that you should take steps to fulfil that responsibility.

Nowhere was I being circular, nor have I stated anything that is false or misleading.

Try harder.

Facts you claim don't add anything, but poor RL comparisons are 'spot on'. Really?

You're now starting to get personal. The last resort of a failed argument.

Not facts? Please, do tell. Oh and proving you wrong, isn't mocking you. Please try to stay on topic.

Oh, please do save us from the hypocrisy.

You claim you don't want to play like the gankers. Well, don't. Use the tools already available to protect yourself from them, like I do, and you won't be playing like them. Let those who fail to play the game as if it's an open PvP world suffer their consequences, and go about your business with 99.9% safety.

Where the hypocrisy comes in is that, based on your stance that you don't want to play the game like someone else does, then everyone needs to play the game like you do. Neither of these options will work. Just simply do what I do, play the game the way you want to, all while keeping in mind that it's entirely possible for someone to come along and try to ruin your day.

Oh, and before you sperg off about you talking about highsec again, even in highsec you should be actually playing the game. AFK mining, AFK hauling, AFK missioning, none of that is actually playing the game. Anyone doing those is actually worse than an NPC. At least the NPC has some intelligence, even if it is artificial.

To continue on. One of the biggest draws of the game is that you can do pretty much anything you want, that includes being a jerk. If you don't want to be a jerk, you don't have to. You will, however, have to deal with them at some point.

In closing, having seen that you still don't get it, I'm going to ask you those dreaded questions you've still yet failed to answer.

How much more than 99.9% safety does it take for you to consider it reasonable?
Why should you not be responsible for your own safety in EvE?


Oops, almost missed this one, and that would've been a shame as it's so telling.

So, contrary to some of your earlier statements, you do indeed want total safety in highsec. Those "habitual criminals" as you call them are quite literally the only threat freighters face in highsec. Banning them from highsec will simply ensure total 100% safety for any freighter in an NPC corp.

Gotta watch what you say in those times when you're spewing venom all over the forums. Your real agenda slips out when you do.

Jonah is exactly correct. Even mining has a PvP aspect to it. Since the belts are open to anyone if somebody comes into the belt then they can take some of the more valuable ore before I do. That is a type of competition, a type of PvP. When I sell something on the market and undercut the current lowest price seller I am going to take sales he might have otherwise gotten. Competition…PvP.

To say one wants to play the game and not engage in behavior that does not impact other players that person is just being silly. Hell, when I buy something off the market, it has an effect. Players participating in the market is what generates prices which in turn tell inventors and/or builders information on what to build. Prices inform miners on what are the best rocks to mine. Etc.