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w/e u buncha tools

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Evasive Shadow Assassin
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2016-02-01 09:33:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Evasive Shadow Assassin
No point even having this suggestion area, just gets trolled everytime sumone posts sumthing, tf is the point
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#2 - 2016-02-01 10:20:17 UTC
Why?
Amarisen Gream
The.Kin.of.Jupiter
#3 - 2016-02-01 12:21:38 UTC
Hopefully, CCP won't need to do something like this - though I could see NPC statistics be being even more "niched " in what they offer.
And maybe in the process - see that people don't so much rent an office but rent the facilities of the station.

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Evasive Shadow Assassin
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2016-02-01 13:07:48 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
Why?


Goonswarm is a perfect example, taking up offices in good stations just to have one but they are never used as storage n such

I think new corps should be allowed to have a chance to have these offices
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#5 - 2016-02-01 13:20:51 UTC
I suppose you probably also think that CCP should disband corporations that have been inactive for a while in order for you to poach their cool names, right? Never mind the fact that should a player return to the game that they might want their old corp back...

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log

Evasive Shadow Assassin
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2016-02-01 13:29:35 UTC
Bumblefck wrote:
I suppose you probably also think that CCP should disband corporations that have been inactive for a while in order for you to poach their cool names, right? Never mind the fact that should a player return to the game that they might want their old corp back...


Why would i even suggest this?

Try to grow up, this is about unused corporation offices in empire. Don't try to start an argument based on your own insecurity okay?
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2016-02-01 13:34:11 UTC
Evasive Shadow Assassin wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
Why?


Goonswarm is a perfect example, taking up offices in good stations just to have one but they are never used as storage n such

I think new corps should be allowed to have a chance to have these offices


How do you know it's not being used?
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#8 - 2016-02-01 14:10:27 UTC
Evasive Shadow Assassin wrote:
Why would i even suggest this?

Try to grow up, this is about unused corporation offices in empire. Don't try to start an argument based on your own insecurity okay?




But what I stated is a logical extension of what you proposed - once you start removing offices that are 'unused' (how the hell would you even find out about whether or not that is the case?), it's but a slippery slope down the route I outlined.


Come on, wake up - you're mad that corps who have money (but which may or may not be on a hiatus) are renting offices out of their fat wallets, thereby depriving you of renting said office. What happens if the CEO comes back to the game and finds that the office which (s)he has been paying for has just been wrested out of his/her control, just because a Johnny-come-lately wants it? How would you feel if this happened to you?

The solution isn't a gamebreaking one like you propose, it's much simpler - find another station with free offices.

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log

Takari
Promised Victorious Entropy
#9 - 2016-02-01 14:51:57 UTC
If every office in every station were rented and new corporations were physically incapable of renting an office anywhere in space, I could see this being a possibility.

Until that point, though. You're going to have to find a free station.

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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#10 - 2016-02-01 16:54:57 UTC
Bumblefck wrote:
Evasive Shadow Assassin wrote:
Why would i even suggest this?

Try to grow up, this is about unused corporation offices in empire. Don't try to start an argument based on your own insecurity okay?




But what I stated is a logical extension of what you proposed - once you start removing offices that are 'unused' (how the hell would you even find out about whether or not that is the case?), it's but a slippery slope down the route I outlined.


Come on, wake up - you're mad that corps who have money (but which may or may not be on a hiatus) are renting offices out of their fat wallets, thereby depriving you of renting said office. What happens if the CEO comes back to the game and finds that the office which (s)he has been paying for has just been wrested out of his/her control, just because a Johnny-come-lately wants it? How would you feel if this happened to you?

The solution isn't a gamebreaking one like you propose, it's much simpler - find another station with free offices.



It not really a good idea but you could make a good ISK sink by having bidding war on office slots.
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#11 - 2016-02-01 17:17:48 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:

It not really a good idea but you could make a good ISK sink by having bidding war on office slots.



Yeah, that at least would be a good idea for making sure that those who really want an office slot will get it, provided that they pay for it, of course :)

Much better than CCP arbitrarily taking offices away

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log

Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2016-02-01 17:24:32 UTC
Bumblefck wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:

It not really a good idea but you could make a good ISK sink by having bidding war on office slots.



Yeah, that at least would be a good idea for making sure that those who really want an office slot will get it, provided that they pay for it, of course :)

Much better than CCP arbitrarily taking offices away


It would also probably show the current solution as even more meaningfull by having station with open office slots not involve big ISK bidding war. How much is the difference in office cost between Jita 4-4 and a remote location at the ass-end of the galaxy anyway right now?
Rapscallion Jones
Omnibus Solutions
#13 - 2016-02-01 17:26:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Rapscallion Jones
If you need an office in a station wherein none are available, be a capitalist. Contact the CEOs of the corps holding offices in said stations and offer to purchase the office out from under them. I've been on both sides of these types of transactions and they almost always result in two satisfied parties. It's not much of an issue anymore, but this also works with high sec moons for POSs. Of course as always in any financial transaction, caveat emptor.
Evasive Shadow Assassin
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2016-02-01 17:45:15 UTC
How in gods name is it game breaking.

Your stupidity is astounding.

1. Corps go inactive i.e alts, rent officers in repair/industry stations.
2. Said corps NEVER log in but keep offices.
3. New corps come into game, cant rent an office in said station, have to move miles away even tho they have a ACTIVE HQ there.

You call me poor? I have upwards of 30+ billion ISK. This has nothing to do with cost. It has to do with DEAD 2 man corps who NEVER log in holding offices due to FAT wallets.

It is simply they are dead corps, dead corps should have offices in high level mission stations and production stations revoked to make way for new corps growing.

How in gods name did u read the first post and then respond so god damn harshly.

People like you make my blood boil.

You take a post, twist it and twist and then watch the results

Grow up - How could un-renting UN USED offices break a game? Are you bloody stupid?
Evasive Shadow Assassin
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2016-02-01 17:46:07 UTC
Rapscallion Jones wrote:
If you need an office in a station wherein none are available, be a capitalist. Contact the CEOs of the corps holding offices in said stations and offer to purchase the office out from under them. I've been on both sides of these types of transactions and they almost always result in two satisfied parties. It's not much of an issue anymore, but this also works with high sec moons for POSs. Of course as always in any financial transaction, caveat emptor.


I tried with 5 corps in said station, all 1-3 man corps, added all members from eve who, sent mails, 1 week later, no reply, not one logged in, dead corps.

hence dead corps with fat wallets holding station offices.
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#16 - 2016-02-01 19:55:41 UTC
Evasive Shadow Assassin wrote:
People like you make my blood boil.

You take a post, twist it and twist and then watch the results

Grow up - How could un-renting UN USED offices break a game? Are you bloody stupid?




Actually, the only person venting personal invective here is you.


If you haven't noticed the name of the forum by now, it is 'Features and Ideas Discussion'. You have presented an idea - fair enough, it is your right and you are encouraged to do so in order to try and make the game a better place. Then, other posters came here - in order to discuss your point.

Others and myself have posted possible (quite reasonable and logical) counterpoints to your proposal, and what do we get in return? You screaming and wailing as if your toys have fallen out of your pram. Unbelievable!

The essence of your first post was this:


"Inactive corps with no activity but fat wallets are renting offices. I would like an office for my corp, but I can't get it because these inactive losers are still paying for it. Let's make CCP enforce the fact that, after a period of inactivity, they and their contents get booted out of the office so that someone else may rent it."


(If my interpretation of your words is in error, please feel free to correct me.)


Then two counter-ideas emerged from the thread:


"Why bother? Why not find another station? After all, there are plenty in New Eden to choose from"


and my one


"If you start doing this, it's not that much of an intellectual leap to start disbanding inactive corps in order to liberate their name for recycling"


Granted, it is unlikely, but it does set a precedent - one which EVE as a whole will probably be worse off for.


What's the problem with finding another NPC station to hire an office from? Admittedly, it might not be at the most inconvenient location of your choosing, but you'd still be able to get an office. And besides, how would you feel if you took a break, only to return a year or so later to find that you'd lost all of your carefully organised and role-applied hangars, only because there is an arbitrary limit as to how long you may rent one whilst inactive? I know that I'd be rather annoyed, and I did indeed come back from a three-year hiatus recently.

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log

SurrenderMonkey
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2016-02-01 20:32:59 UTC
So stations are supposed to kick out corporations that are paying their bills, but aren't actually using the service?

People who will pay you for nothing in return are commonly known as "perfect customers". Seems pretty okay to me.

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Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#18 - 2016-02-01 22:34:25 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Evasive Shadow Assassin wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
Why?


Goonswarm is a perfect example, taking up offices in good stations just to have one but they are never used as storage n such

I think new corps should be allowed to have a chance to have these offices


How do you know it's not being used?



Exactly this. Yes, we have hundreds of offices. No, nobody who doesn't have director roles is going to know how much those offices are used. I suspect the answer is that most of them are, in fact, used for something or other. You don't know anything about the offices you're crying about.

People not responding to your eve mails doesn't mean they're inactive corps, it just means they don't want to talk to you.
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#19 - 2016-02-02 04:57:42 UTC
If they are paying for them I dont see the problem and, as others have pointed out, you cant tell if they are being used or not.

I can want to rent a storage unit someone else is renting, I can stakeout the unit for weeks and see no one enter it. And if I then demand the land owner to evict the current renters On that basis alone, I would expect a well deserved '**** Off!'

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Evasive Shadow Assassin
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2016-02-02 08:53:14 UTC
standard pvp idiot drivel, responces

**** off, the lot of you
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