Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Well, if you read the thread by Anthar, his main issue in proposing it was in relation to warpins in lowsec and nullsec combat.

In both cases, it's common to pop the wrecks after looting (and sometimes before) because wrecks can be warped to on grid.

By popping the wreck, you make yourself/fleet safer as the enemy can no longer warp to the wreck.

So this change will still make it possible to pop wrecks, but with a bit more effort depending on the type of ship originally destroyed.

So it will increase risk on grid and that's a good thing.

The freighter wreck aspect of it is noted as well, but not his main reason for requesting the change. It makes logical sense as well.

I saw the original thread and made the same comments about impact of this change on hisec freighter ganking. Considering the numbers, I'd say that change to combat scenarios will be marginal (popping 500 or 3500 ehp w/o resis ain't really a problem in any kind of fight where fleets are involved) while it practically negates one of the options anti-gankers (ready to risk thier sec status) had.

The fact that this change was 'championed' by Bat Country's CSM leaves no place for doubt in my mind that it was pushed (certainly to a degree) by the gankers as well. I guess there's no need contemplating the irony of situation in which gankers tell us all to accept the game as it is, adapt our gameplay to current rules while at the same time they're pushing their agenda using CSM. At least it is nice to see things for what they are every now and then.

The irony of the situation is that you lot wouldn't know game balance if it snuck up and bit you in the ass.

Oh, and let's not forget the part where you think activism should only go one way. That's "irony" too, although it's actually naked hypocrisy, but I disgress.

Didn't you say a couple of pages ago that removing bumping would have no impact on ganking?

This doesn't stop the wreck from being shot, just the same way that removing bumping wouldn't stop ganking. Will take a little more effort to pop the wreck, but the ganking will be pretty much the same; which is consistent with the position argued earlier, surely.

As for the change being marginal in combat situations, come to null and see. You're welcome anytime. This will have an impact and the greater risk is good.

So you admit that they cried as well. Well, thank you good sir, you made my day.

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Guess your out of valid ideas and arguments.

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so far all i've heard in response to my suggestion is ' bumpers can fit mjds too' , and a load of personal attacks . yes bumpers can make the choice of fitting a mjd, sacrificing some tank, that's a choice he can make, which makes him slightly more vulnerable to a gank attempt. (they do happen occasionally you know) .

if a freighter gets bumped in uedama f.i. , the pilot is, under current bumping mechanics, pretty much at the mercy of the bumper for as long as it takes , sometimes for hours . my suggestion gives the freighter pilot something to do to help himself other than self destruct, wait for death in the queue or pay a ransom then wait for death in the queue.

please bear in mind that not all eve players have multiple friends/corp members/alts to call upon when needed.

it would be useful to know the success rate of code gank attempts on bumped freighters in uedama, according to code they never fail, despite the efforts of ag crowd, so what's the big deal bout giving em a slightly bigger challenge ?

bumping would stay exactly as it is but with a (limited use) emergency mjd on freighters , bumpers would have to take into account the target may use the mjd at any time , if he didn't use it b4 the gank squad appear, then a rookie ship equipped with scram would be all that's required to pin target down for ganking. this would require good timing, but you guys are so awesome (allegedly) that this shouldn't be a problem.

So you don't have any links to threads for week after week, year after year? We're just meant to take your word on it that all the whining was done directly and it was more than the week after week and year after year whining done by AG and freighter pilots?

Really?

Oh and yes, people will still shoot wrecks. But it will take what you all seem opposed to right now. :EFFORT:

So what was the point of your reply - to suggest that crowd from minluv could have lobbied for this change? But you also know that they would never do that because lobbying is beneath them? Lol.

Mostly to laugh at your hypocrisy and all those tears.