Player Features and Ideas Discussion

OK, by security then....0.5 below collision never disabled. Yes, bumping is NOT an exploit....but just tonight I seen a orca bumped for an hour and finally let go. Atleast set a time limit, no? So not an exploit, just bumper being a douche for an hour because he can be. Either gank, convince them to pay ransom or let them go.

I have rarely seen more than 1 mach on a gate in Uedama, they might have one on each gate, but not more than that. Besides, reship and just gank again.

Hell get 10-15 guys in catalysts and it is an ISK war most HS industrial/mission runners can win hands down.

The death threat discussion I was referring to was in this thread where our friend said that if I was "seriously complaining" about receiving death threats there was "something really wrong" with me. When I called him on it he responded with a snarky non-answer leading me to conclusion that he condones such EULA-breaking behaviour. I only raised this off-topic issue in response to him accusing me of "hating a specific section" of the player-base which is, of course, nonsense. Any "bitterness" he may feel from me towards him is personal, and I have no issues with miners, haulers, anti-gankers or pretty much anyone else who plays this game aside from our friend and the few like them that accept such treatment of another human being as OK.

Now in this thread he has made it explicitly clear that he does actually does not condone such behaviour and I am willing to accept that statement at face value and let it go, and really my personal feelings towards anyone have no bearing on this discussion anyway. Bumping and looting are the issues at hand, and I have made clear my views on them and my thoughts on the proposed "ideas" to fix a problem which has not been established to exist. Freighters are suppose to die and pirates are suppose to be rewarded with loot for their actions. Ideas that have the primary outcome of significantly reducing or eliminating them are just not going to be implemented, and honestly freighter ganking is such a niche while intended activity, CCP is not likely to divert many resources to changes things even if we came up with an amazing idea here unless it was extremely simple to code.

It's a little ironic (and reassuring) that with each nerf the carebears lobby for and manage to get implemented, they decrease the number of ganks and thus their ability to present a valid case for more nerfs. At some point, which we are already probably well past, ganking becomes so rare that CCP will be unwilling to spend any more resources "fixing" something that barely any players engage in any more. It's hard to make a case to start a large development effort rebalance ganking gameplay more in favour of haulers when only a handful of freighters explode everyday, and when there a much more pressing issues for the game that affect many more players.

And once again - masters of spin work their magic. Plase do try and don't take my words out of context giving them whatever meaning you want to give them.

The whole paragraph was: " So folks known for pushing people's buttons to get them raging are complaining about people raging. Well, unless they are once again collectively trolling (which is most likely), this is bloody amusing.
Not justifying folks who fall into trap that CODErs so like to set with their 'calm down miner' narrative, but there's a much simpler solution to all the homophobic, racist and other TOS breaking speech - simply report the guy and don't make much of it. However, as we all know, CODE in fact thrives on getting people to rage and then laughing about it. So - once again, if you are seriously complaining about that happening, there is something really wrong with you guys. "

So the talk was not about you, it was about CODE, and the point of what I wrote, as you hopefully can understand, is that pushing people into rage (which quite a few codies aim to do... perhaps you do too... are you in code even?) and then complaining about the results makes no sense whatsoever.
Nowhere did I explicitly say - what you claim, that RL death threats are acceptable, that I support them or that you deserve them. And if you're wondering, no I don't. Now, back to subject.

Yep. Mad cause bad.

You refuse to use all the tools available, and claim that somehow justifies adding more nerfs.

You're wrong, you're spouting complete non logic, and you are what's wrong with this game.

The problem here is not bumping, it is an anti-ganker community full of toxic and bad players who somehow think because they play on the side of the "good guys" they are entitled to special treatment by CCP and should be able to constantly get the game changed in their favor.

There is really nothing to discuss here at all. If you want to change things step up your game and do it yourself. Otherwise accept to get ridiculed for those whine threads which are nothing other than solid prove about your incompetence at playing this game.

Whiney Gankers, esp CODE cultists, feel they can use exploits because a few years game play gives them entitlement to do so.

Ganking Freighters is MACRO style now (an they curse bots).

Bump with NPC alts an send in 29 gankers from a bookmark. Its a formulae now with very little risk for reward.

How much of CODEs 800bill is from this exploit/scam, countless risk free billions.

Does not matter your sec status, if you book mark well with your ganking bot team you can avoid most interdiction.

Even moving concord around like a dance partner is a joke. Manoeuvre them to 150 klicks from intended tgt and you have cut into the response time effectively.




CCP in the interests of player retention knows the figures and needs to adjust the mechanics. James315 is not buying any plex this month. Ignore the Anti-Gank population and see your business model die. Time we flex our muscle above the whiney white noise of the entitled generation of ganker. Force these habitual gankers to experience more of the game; real pvp, incursions, null sec etc.



CCP can't continue to cater to the special needs of a minority, gankers with an obsessive compulsive disorder, no matter how loud their temper tantrums or tear rages. Enough is enough.

You make fair points and I bow out gracefully from further suggestions :)......so basically your view, is that as long numbers aren't excessive, there needs to be no changes. As 98% make their trip freely? I addressed the Orca in somebody elses reply I wont bother rehashing it o7

Actually, as the RFF stats objectively show, 99.9% make it when we use the tools already available to us.

So yes, not just this change, but any proposed change, there needs to be justification for why the change is needed and since 99.9% of hauling makes it when people use the tools already available to them, there doesn't appear to be any justification for providing more. It's already safer than many other activities in the game.

I think part of the problem here is the anti-ganker's anti-logic. Maybe they will be ok if we gank 100% of the Freighters. You see, according to anti-logic a ganker has no risk, because he loses his ship in 100% of the time. If we get to the point where we kill 100% of the Freighters there will be no risk left for them as well, so everything will be fine.