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Balancing bumping and looting mechanics

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Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#321 - 2016-01-31 01:01:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote:

As said previously, some of the people in AG have identified recycled ganker alts and reported them to CCP.


Yeah, if you people told me the sun would come up tomorrow, I would wake up at five thirty just to double check. I don't believe a thing you angsty, hateful carebears say.

Oh, and hiding my posts just makes it look like I hit the mark.

Bullseye.


Whoops, I didn't block your posts.
So, just to prove you, once again, wrong - one example which has been reported: https://zkillboard.com/character/95727954/ (-5.2 according to Eve Who).
So, by now you've been proven to be:

a) liar
b) denying facts (link above)
c) prejudiced towards folks who don't subscribe to your worldview
d) who knows what else

In a perfect world right about now you'd stop spewing your angsty and hateful retoric, but I doubt that will happen. Do carry on.

An Ibis is a gank ship?

The Providence whore kill seems to have been a war target of Faylee at the time as she was not CONCORDed..

What ganks did that alt do exactly?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#322 - 2016-01-31 01:03:59 UTC
Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote:


Actually it is you refusing to accept that, for some, going down the criminal route to prevent getting criminally killed in hisec makes no sense the same way that keeping from warping away just by magic of spaceship submarine collisions makes no sense.
If you can't step away from your position, you can never understand what I'm talking about but that's fine. The future will tell which of us was right.


So don't gank and use one of the other ways to avoid or fight your way out of this situation.
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#323 - 2016-01-31 01:04:22 UTC
Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote:

As said previously, some of the people in AG have identified recycled ganker alts and reported them to CCP.


Yeah, if you people told me the sun would come up tomorrow, I would wake up at five thirty just to double check. I don't believe a thing you angsty, hateful carebears say.

Oh, and hiding my posts just makes it look like I hit the mark.

Bullseye.


Whoops, I didn't block your posts.


Do you routinely block those who disagree with you? If so that speaks volumes to your intellectual honesty...which IMO, is so low right now anybody considers you even remotely believable...well except maybe the incompetent and foolish.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
Rhamnousia Nosferatu
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#324 - 2016-01-31 01:06:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Rhamnousia Nosferatu
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Ah yes, because linking a random guy in Doomheim is proof of anything. (well, besides that anti ganking has admitted to mass reporting to try and get people banned)

Blow this more off topic, please. Oh, and please project some more accusations at me while you do it. In particular, the one about being prejudiced against anything you don't agree with gave me a good laugh.

Maybe you don't know how to use killboards, so I'll help you with it - that random guy has a freighter kill on board and was clearly used as an aggro alt (y'know as in 'disposable aggro alt') and then recycled. Just as I said.

As for prejudices, let me quote you:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
If you people told me the sun would come up tomorrow, I would wake up at five thirty just to double check. I don't believe a thing you angsty, hateful carebears say

And yes, If I see someone trying to game the system by using mechanics which have been ruled as exploits, I report them. Every responsible citizen of New Eden should do the same.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#325 - 2016-01-31 01:08:46 UTC
So, our anti ganker friend there has just proven themselves to:

Be a liar.

Make up things when they have no facts.

Knowingly and deliberately abuse the petition system and encourage others to do the same.

Prejudiced towards anything that goes against the skewed, wrong, carebear vision of this game.

And who knows what else. Did I miss anything, guys?

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#326 - 2016-01-31 01:17:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Teckos Pech
Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Ah yes, because linking a random guy in Doomheim is proof of anything. (well, besides that anti ganking has admitted to mass reporting to try and get people banned)

Blow this more off topic, please. Oh, and please project some more accusations at me while you do it. In particular, the one about being prejudiced against anything you don't agree with gave me a good laugh.

Maybe you don't know how to use killboards, so I'll help you with it - that random guy has a freighter kill on board and was clearly used as an aggro alt (y'know as in 'disposable aggro alt') and then recycled. Just as I said.

As for prejudices, let me quote you:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
If you people told me the sun would come up tomorrow, I would wake up at five thirty just to double check. I don't believe a thing you angsty, hateful carebears say

And yes, If I see someone trying to game the system by using mechanics which have been ruled as exploits, I report them. Every responsible citizen of New Eden should do the same.


That linked kill is not a gank. It looks like somebody did a suicide agro to keep the target scannable and vulnerable long enough for somebody who could kill the freighter legitimately (i.e. a war target) to arrive and kill said freighter.

Looks to me like a case of working as intended.

So Rhamnousia Nosferatu it looks like you are indeed intellectually bankrupt.

Go ahead and block me and anyone else, IDC your opinion is literally worthless.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#327 - 2016-01-31 01:20:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaarous Aldurald
Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote:

As for prejudices, let me quote you:


And I'll say it again.

The anti ganking community are the most hateful, angsty, miserable bunch of miscreants I have ever laid eyes on. I have known at least a dozen of you to make repeated death threats against people I personally know, I have seen you spew the most hateful **** I've ever heard in local at people who aren't even gankers because they have negative sec status (it was a PL blops pilot going for a skillbook), I have seen you encourage people to use exploits that don't even work to get out of being ganked, and I have seen you encourage people to abuse the petition system to get losses reimbursed that don't qualify.

In short, you are all slime, and I don't believe a word that any of you say. If you people told me the sun was coming up tomorrow, I would wake up at five thirty to double check.

And as for bumping, there are a number of reasons why you will never get your way. Any one of them would work to stifle your thinly veiled attempt to kill more emergent gameplay, but all of them stand against you nonetheless.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Rhamnousia Nosferatu
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#328 - 2016-01-31 01:20:50 UTC
Teckos Pech wrote:
Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote:

As said previously, some of the people in AG have identified recycled ganker alts and reported them to CCP.


Yeah, if you people told me the sun would come up tomorrow, I would wake up at five thirty just to double check. I don't believe a thing you angsty, hateful carebears say.

Oh, and hiding my posts just makes it look like I hit the mark.

Bullseye.


Whoops, I didn't block your posts.


Do you routinely block those who disagree with you? If so that speaks volumes to your intellectual honesty...which IMO, is so low right now anybody considers you even remotely believable...well except maybe the incompetent and foolish.


In game I used to block those who spammed local. Lately I just stopped checking the local and removed the blocks. Not sure what intellectual honesty has to do with not wanting to have to sift through rubbish to get to occasional useful piece of information. If someone continually calls you a liar, hateful person, makes up stuff you never said, while continually derailing the discussion, I'd say that removing his posts can only make whole thread easier to read.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#329 - 2016-01-31 01:22:42 UTC
Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote:
If someone continually calls you a liar, hateful person, makes up stuff you never said, while continually derailing the discussion


They might just be an anti ganker.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#330 - 2016-01-31 01:22:42 UTC
Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:
Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote:

As said previously, some of the people in AG have identified recycled ganker alts and reported them to CCP.


Yeah, if you people told me the sun would come up tomorrow, I would wake up at five thirty just to double check. I don't believe a thing you angsty, hateful carebears say.

Oh, and hiding my posts just makes it look like I hit the mark.

Bullseye.


Whoops, I didn't block your posts.


Do you routinely block those who disagree with you? If so that speaks volumes to your intellectual honesty...which IMO, is so low right now anybody considers you even remotely believable...well except maybe the incompetent and foolish.


In game I used to block those who spammed local. Lately I just stopped checking the local and removed the blocks. Not sure what intellectual honesty has to do with not wanting to have to sift through rubbish to get to occasional useful piece of information. If someone continually calls you a liar, hateful person, makes up stuff you never said, while continually derailing the discussion, I'd say that removing his posts can only make whole thread easier to read.



Blah, blah, blah...I block those who disagree with me because they cause me cognitive dissonance and I can't handle that.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
Mag's
Azn Empire
#331 - 2016-01-31 01:27:57 UTC
Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote:
Whoops, I didn't block your posts.
So, just to prove you, once again, wrong - one example which has been reported: https://zkillboard.com/character/95727954/ (-5.2 according to Eve Who).
So, by now you've been proven to be:

a) liar
b) denying facts (link above)
c) prejudiced towards folks who don't subscribe to your worldview
d) who knows what else

In a perfect world right about now you'd stop spewing your angsty and hateful retoric, but I doubt that will happen. Do carry on.
Sorry, but what was this post meant to prove?

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#332 - 2016-01-31 01:29:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Teckos Pech
You know my OOC alt was targeted by a CODE bumper and I have thought about going after bumping ships, problem is doing it solo is not easy and 2 people ganking the bumping ship would make is so much easier, but the people who get ganked are such sh**lers I cannot count them to help me...so I gave up and moved over to using a BR and JF.

Now when I see these same sh**lers whining on the forums...I despise them far, far more than CODE who are at least adding content.

To those who have had their freighters ganked, F-you and die in a fire.

Edit:

Long live CODE and any entity that ganks a freighter.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#333 - 2016-01-31 01:32:44 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote:
Whoops, I didn't block your posts.
So, just to prove you, once again, wrong - one example which has been reported: https://zkillboard.com/character/95727954/ (-5.2 according to Eve Who).
So, by now you've been proven to be:

a) liar
b) denying facts (link above)
c) prejudiced towards folks who don't subscribe to your worldview
d) who knows what else

In a perfect world right about now you'd stop spewing your angsty and hateful retoric, but I doubt that will happen. Do carry on.
Sorry, but what was this post meant to prove?


Nothing?

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
Rhamnousia Nosferatu
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#334 - 2016-01-31 01:34:25 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote:

As for prejudices, let me quote you:


And I'll say it again.

The anti ganking community are the most hateful, angsty, miserable bunch of miscreants I have ever laid eyes on. I have known at least a dozen of you to make repeated death threats against people I personally know, I have seen you spew the most hateful **** I've ever heard in local at people who aren't even gankers because they have negative sec status (it was a PL blops pilot going for a skillbook), I have seen you encourage people to use exploits that don't even work to get out of being ganked, and I have seen you encourage people to abuse the petition system to get losses reimbursed that don't qualify.

In short, you are all slime, and I don't believe a word that any of you say. If you people told me the sun was coming up tomorrow, I would wake up at five thirty to double check.

And as for bumping, there are a number of reasons why you will never get your way. Any one of them would work to stifle your thinly veiled attempt to kill more emergent gameplay, but all of them stand against you nonetheless.


I have no idea whom you are talking about regarding all these behaviors, but it certainly wasn't me or people I hang with in AG. I have never threatened someone in RL, advised using exploits, or encouraged use of petition system for losses which I knew did not qualify for reimbursement. If you run into such behavior - report it. I know I do once it goes beyond reasonable in-game smack (which, btw, your post has certainly gone beyond).
Furthermore it is me you have been continually attacking in this thread, not some general 'anti-ganking community'. You seem to have issues telling individual people and discussion of real-life software defined mechanics of a computer game apart from those imaginary in-game groups, and in-game animosity.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#335 - 2016-01-31 01:35:16 UTC
Teckos Pech wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote:
Whoops, I didn't block your posts.
So, just to prove you, once again, wrong - one example which has been reported: https://zkillboard.com/character/95727954/ (-5.2 according to Eve Who).
So, by now you've been proven to be:

a) liar
b) denying facts (link above)
c) prejudiced towards folks who don't subscribe to your worldview
d) who knows what else

In a perfect world right about now you'd stop spewing your angsty and hateful retoric, but I doubt that will happen. Do carry on.
Sorry, but what was this post meant to prove?


Nothing?
Kinda what I thought, but it's late and I thought I'd ask. Lol

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Rhamnousia Nosferatu
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#336 - 2016-01-31 01:37:33 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote:
Whoops, I didn't block your posts.
So, just to prove you, once again, wrong - one example which has been reported: https://zkillboard.com/character/95727954/ (-5.2 according to Eve Who).
So, by now you've been proven to be:

a) liar
b) denying facts (link above)
c) prejudiced towards folks who don't subscribe to your worldview
d) who knows what else

In a perfect world right about now you'd stop spewing your angsty and hateful retoric, but I doubt that will happen. Do carry on.
Sorry, but what was this post meant to prove?


Nothing?
Kinda what I thought, but it's late and I thought I'd ask. Lol

Well, hopefully that Kaarous tends to make stuff up and deny facts while also basing his behaviour on fact that I'm not in his 'team' (apparently I'm a hateful angsty carebear).
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#337 - 2016-01-31 01:38:45 UTC
Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote:

I have no idea whom you are talking about regarding all these behaviors


Did you miss the part where I said I don't believe what you say? You can deny until you're blue in the face, and I still won't care. You people crossed the line a long freaking time ago, and you all know how and why, and to whom.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#338 - 2016-01-31 01:39:08 UTC
Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Kinda what I thought, but it's late and I thought I'd ask. Lol

Well, hopefully that Kaarous tends to make stuff up and deny facts while also basing his behaviour on fact that I'm not in his 'team' (apparently I'm a hateful angsty carebear).
I don't care about all that tbh, I just wondered what that post was meant to prove.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#339 - 2016-01-31 01:40:11 UTC
Seems there's still no clear reason why my Freighter pilot deserves special treatment via protection from bumping.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#340 - 2016-01-31 01:40:58 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Seems there's still no clear reason why my Freighter pilot deserves special treatment via protection from bumping.


It should be obvious.

So that there can be less PvP in highsec. That's the whole point, after all.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.