Player Features and Ideas Discussion

No, I did not. And no amount of your deliberately being obtuse changes that.

Like I said, the game's collision detection mechanics are working precisely as they were intended to. When ships and objects collide, they are bumped apart from one another, precisely as intended.

Or are you suggesting otherwise?

We don't discuss fixes for a non problem.

Now answer the question, carebear.

Are you saying that the game's physics engine for collision detection is working any way other than intended? Because if so, you might want to submit a bug report.

How's that exactly? You claimed that you were in favor of ganking, but that didn't even last two pages before your real intent came out.




So... you think ship collisions leading to movement was not intended to have been part of the game's physics engine literally each and every day since launch?

Whew.

Might want to put a ticket in on that one.

"If carebear + tears, then highsec - PvP"

I honestly don't believe you.

But I will say that you should be proud of yourself for having found what appears to be a long standing bug, one as old as the game itself. You can have the honors of putting a ticket in for it though, since you're the one who determined that the game's physics engine hasn't been working as intended for the last decade.

If bumping is flawed purely on the basis that it is emergent gameplay, then so is ganking. When CCP coded CONCORD response times they did not intend players to try and kill eachother before CONCORD arrived.

As is scamming, corp theft, rolling and collapsing WH's, using stabs in FW plexes, the MWD cloak trick, armour tanking a black bird, pipe bombing etc etc.

By your thinking this is all flawed gameplay?

Not at all, many emergent behaviours are great and definitively a part of Eve and it's a sign of respect from the devs that they leave us open ended mechanics to play with and adapt without involving themselves too heavily.

That said, there have been prior instances where emergent behaviours have been fixed/tempered once they've got out of hand (POS bowling and hyperdunking to name two off-hand) and so just because something is emergent, does not mean it's necessarily worth keeping in its current state.

Bumping is a great emergent technique in terms of preventing a burn into a POS bubble or back to a gate but in terms of using it as a form of tackling to avoid the aggression flag of using a tackle module it seems like a cheap and gamey exploit to me. The fact CCP have previously looked at changing this in highsec seems to suggest they agree it's a little bit flawed.

Whatever mate, it's all here in black and white for people to read themselves.

Oh and I missed out the 'personal incredulity' fallacy from my last post - "I don't believe you" indeed, that matters not a jot as to my argument.

o/

I've pointed out WHY I think it's cheap and gamey:

- The primary counter to DEFEND someone that's (e:already) being bumped is to become criminal yourself and gank them, a complete reversal of how criminality would sensibly work. It also requires arguably more luck/skill to actually gank a fast moving, rapidly aligning machariel..so not only do you have to become a ganker, you have to exceed them in skill at their own game.
- It's a way to evade the aggression flags that would ensue if you tackled someone with one of the provided tackling modules...nuff said? They made a way to tackle people with repercussions for it, then people found a way to evade the repercussions.

Sure it's an opinion, one I've backed up. I don't think I ever said it was unintended and that's why it should be gone, I stated why it doesn't really make sense in the gamespace.

Also I already stated I disagree with webbing being as safe as it currently is and the way that it encourages alt play by being more effective than having two separate players (as you can roughly move your webbing alt closer to the freighter before the freighter drops cloak using the freighter screen as a guideline). I also think that a single frigate acting as an escort for a freighter/capital is pretty crap and would prefer to see more meaningful mechanics involved in this kind of escort/defensive gameplay without making it into incredibly boring nullsec freighter escort ops.

No gankers really don't have any Risk... loose a 2 million Isk ship. and not have any additional security status drop, or penalty for being a criminal. Same old same old. No Risk.