EVE General Discussion

plenty, but more likely you "don't want" to find those arguments

Probably these coherent arguments that you speak of are well hidden among the over 1000 posts of nonsense.

Help me out, point out a couple of good ones.

Sorry can't point to a specific post, but I will say that CCP has been rather clever here.

Outright selling of SP (created out of "thin air" by CCP) would be a disaster. Here CCP has created a scenario where aside from standard training SP in the game cannot increase and if anything may decrease.

Too the extent that the SP differential between older and newer players is a potential issue in terms of the game experience, this may...or may not be a good thing. There are a number of threads about gating, the power of older players with alot of SP, etc. with alot of sturm und drang and people just talking past each other.

CCP's view is (probably) that this new feature is taking the character bazaar to the next step. As I noted with the character bazaar there is much less choice. You may find a near match, but not a perfect match. This new feature will give greater control to the player, but at a cost (the decreasing marginal returns is pretty steep).

The fear is that veterans might find a way to use this to an overwhelming advantage relative to new players. The problem with this view point is that the "overwhelming advantage" might not be readily apparent. For example, the FW Exploit of 2012. A small number of clever players saw the problem. They warned CCP. CCP ignored them and so those players decided...okay, fine...and proceeded to abuse the frack out of it. Scroll down to the chart to see the problem.

Basically, these problems boil down to not having perfect foresight...which obviously we humans don't have. Sometimes in our hubris we forget that and do dumb things. You can see it all the time in RL where **** really matters....as in billions of dollars are at stake if not trillions. Are we to believe that a handful of people at CCP are better at spotting these potential risks? They certainly were not able to see the problem with FW LP...and they were literally warned on that one.

I can assure you on one thing...PLEX prices will undoubtedly be affected by this. Already it looks like the recent price stability in PLEX is over with a new upward trend. That is going to cause another round of people posting about the unfairness of it all.

Yeah I didn't get that either. Maybe....the FC will not want to use the alt...maybe? In which case the he could sell then alt or sell the SP.

In any event, it would be transitory effect not a permanent one.

You forgot one:

Buy PLEX, sell for ISK, buy new 67 million SP character 3 days into the game.

Edit: Oh, and people can buy extractors and sell them on the market too for ISK--i.e. you may very well be able to buy them for ISK. Depends on how liquid the market is though.

The point is that there are things in game that can already be traded for Aurum. I don’t see that as a serious problem at all.

Characters can be traded for isk, and those DO have a gameplay impact as Teckos Pech pointed out. As you also pointed out, since isk can be had for AUR, AUR has the same indirect impact on gameplay here as it does through skill injectors.

Also I think it's worth arguing that easy access to abundant isk is also a factor that affects gameplay in its own manner.

I do not consider that moving a character from one account to another as having any direct EVE-world impact. Snapshot the EVE database before and after a character move, and you will see no differences. No items moved from one hangar to another. No market orders were affected. No ships or rats will show as having been destroyed. No character's or alliance's wallet will show a different balance. The only thing different is the login ID that character is associated with, and login IDs are entirely outside of the game world.



It's the things that go to CCP and redeem AUR for that concern me, not that AUR can be passed between players for an agreed upon ISK amount. Currently, somebody can spend millions of real-world currency and acquire millions of AUR - and it really wouldn't have much effect on the game no matter what they did with it, since it can only be redeemed for vanity items, except perhaps drive down the ISK value of AUR by flooding the market, which again doesn't really matter much since AUR will still be available to everybody for the same real-world cost. Skill Extractors and the resulting Injectors, however, are not vanity items, and somebody spending millions of real-world currency to acquire AUR in order to acquire Extractions, can, assuming they have access to enough SP, have a significant impact on the game-world.

I’m still not seeing the problem here? Okay…so millions of SP in injectors are now on the market…and the problem is?

To use your character transfer example: In terms of SP, the amount of SP in the game is the same before and after the extractors are used then put on the market. In fact, when people buy them the total amount of SP in the game may very well go down.