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Thoughts and suggestions from a new bro...

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Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#21 - 2016-01-11 17:35:08 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Go can flipping, oh wait you can't, they removed that from the game.

Form a corp and declare war on somebody, oh wait you can't afford to, because they made that 2500% more expensive.

Guess you have to go fly aimlessly into lowsec then!


There's always Red verse Blue. We are still around killing each other, helping others learn to turn on their DC2s right when they uncloak.
Neuntausend
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2016-01-11 17:36:15 UTC
Don Pera Saissore wrote:
We already have a tournament environment but it is inaccessible to the whole community. Opening it up will only enrich the eve universe.


There's nothing keeping you from organizing a structured tournament yourself, you know?

Regular arena PvP in the sense of NEO or AT or as suggested by the OP is kind of against the spirit of the game: Usually, no matter what you are doing in Eve, other random people can mess with it (except ship spinning, maybe). That would not be possible in a closed off arena of sorts.
Pix Severus
Empty You
#23 - 2016-01-11 17:40:46 UTC
Join a corp and duel your mates, or be that guy scanning other people down (and hope it's not bait), then you can have all the solo fights you want.

If you want arenas, I hear they have those in WoW, and most other garbage, throw-away MMOs released in the last decade.

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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#24 - 2016-01-11 17:50:12 UTC
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
There's always Red verse Blue. We are still around killing each other, helping others learn to turn on their DC2s right when they uncloak.

New and improve since we helped you with that leadership problem you were having (thanks for the POCOs, they're keeping us in marauders, which we have taken to welping into lowsec because we have nothing else to do with all this money).
Vic Jefferson
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#25 - 2016-01-11 17:58:41 UTC
Shoeless Ness wrote:
Sure you have the opportunity to join CFC or PL, be given ships, and sent out in a huge fleet, but that takes away the whole experience of experimenting, learning by doing, and risking on my own.


CFC has a voracious recruiting program and very lucrative space and SRP, so yes, they gobble up lots of newbies and chain them to sov game play, which on the scale they do it, and more so the reasons they do it, is absolutely no fun. Just because they are the loudest recruiters does not mean they are the best to join.

Your post raises two common issues for the newbie - finding a good corp that lines up with your interests, and earning income as a newbie outside of sov-space. There are plenty of small gang corps out there who encourage pvp in all its forms, but finding the right fit in this game is difficult and unforgiving. However there are a large number of extremely helpful players and the good side of the community to rely as on a resource, so there are opportunities. The next trick is finding the cash to buy lots of replacement ships, but if you fly cheap and learn things on the frigate level, by the time you can fly bigger things, you should be much more confident in how to fly them.

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Don Pera Saissore
#26 - 2016-01-11 18:00:30 UTC
Neuntausend wrote:
Regular arena PvP in the sense of NEO or AT or as suggested by the OP is kind of against the spirit of the game


Then why do we have the AT?

I have participated in some player run tournaments and i know from experience it is dificult to manage them simply because most aspects relly on a honor sistem and we all know how honorable pvpers are.
Neuntausend
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2016-01-11 18:10:34 UTC
Don Pera Saissore wrote:
Then why do we have the AT?


Well, it's an event. It's not an everyday part of the game.

Don Pera Saissore wrote:
I have participated in some player run tournaments and i know from experience it is dificult to manage them simply because most aspects relly on a honor sistem and we all know how honorable pvpers are.


True, there is no honour in Eve, but being able to screw people over in the least honourable ways is kind of what makes this game.
Ibutho Inkosi
Doomheim
#28 - 2016-01-11 18:18:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Ibutho Inkosi
Another one falls into the trap of "you know what would make this game perfect?"
You know what these posts tell us, really?
Someone has far too much time on his hands...or her...you never know.

Neuntausend wrote:
True, there is no honour in Eve, but being able to screw people over in the least honourable ways is kind of what makes this game.
Makes this game...what?

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Stitch Kaneland
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#29 - 2016-01-11 18:45:09 UTC
Don Pera Saissore wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Arenas and 'fair fights' are for tournaments in EVE (and perhaps soon, EVE-Valkyrie), in fact I believe that exposing new players to Arena pvp will make them LESS suited to participate in the rest of EVE, because Arena's reinforce the 'fair fight' mentality that does not mesh well with being successful in EVE Online. New players need to be shown the realities of the game, not some sanitized version of it.
If someone just has to have that outside of EVE they can pick one of the dozens of MOBAs that do that.


Pvp comes in different varieties: hisec pvp, lowsec pvp, nullsec pvp, wh pvp, tournament pvp.

All those varieties are different and when people change the environment they are often at a disadvantage simply because they are not used to operate in that environment, for example nullbears often get wreckt when they roam around in lowsec.

So according to your logic we already have a bunch of players who are not suited to participate in the whole eve universe, including you and me.

We already have a tournament environment but it is inaccessible to the whole community. Opening it up will only enrich the eve universe.


I think you assume too much and are trying to broadly apply the logic stated.

Short answer, you are wrong.

I solo pvp. Have been for years. I dont use links or scouts but i do use plenty of drugs (drugs are good mkay). What i learned fighting linked scrublords and other organized pvp gangs in LS directly applies to what i encounter in nullsec. Infact, nullsec is generally less organized and easier to kill. Especially when you roam into carebear central with 20 people in local, and 1-2 of them actually pvp. WH functions similarly in the way that dscan is your local. If youre good with dscan in low/null. You will be good in a WH. Albeit a bit more paranoid.

Same thing for the guys in AT. I know a few guys in AT, and have even fought against them when they roamed our space. AT guys did not start pvping in an arena. They started it like everyone else. Roaming other people's space for fights. Eventually they learned all the tricks, got better organized and found more high level players to recruit and refine their skills for AT.

So to say that null pvp is different than lowsec and WH pvp is just wrong. Fleet combat is different, but the same tactics still apply. Counters, physcological warefare, bait etc are still viable in bigger fleets.

As to the OP, a resounding NO from me. Arenas will cripple the game and alienate the dedicated player base. Where as the 15 year old WoW dropouts will be entertained for a week or 2 and then leave the game. PvP is mainly found through roams.. whats the point of having thousands of systems to roam, when i can go to "Jita PvP Arena 1" and satisfy my thirst?

You take out baiting
You take out unequal/random initial contact fights (this is useful for fighting multiple people, which cant be done in an arena). As in Team A spawns at point A, team B spawns at point B. Its too simple and dulls the fights.
You throw a handful of tactics out the window because everything is provided for you.

So now we have the 2k or so systems in EVE going unroamed. Everyone stays in HS and has their arenas. Meanwhile all of null/LS become stagnant and the older playerbase leaves due to no one wanting to roam. The 15 year old hypertards leave after a week or two because it becomes repetitive and boring. Now EVE is circling the drain.

Arenas are not for EVE. Even CCP considered it for a month with "Dojos" which was axed within weeks of it being mentioned.


ISD Buldath
#30 - 2016-01-11 20:16:21 UTC
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