EVE General Discussion

ok now for a real reply...

its been 6 months (or so) since this topic has started. the current average is 22k players online, thus we are up numbers. so your topic is debunked. EVE is currently stable average wise. I predict, either come citadels or fan fest (whichever is first) we will get a small bump in the numbers (i say small because if i say large and we only get a small people will say i was wrong). Fan fest (if its not before citadels) should drive a nice spike. The weather in cali is suppose to be dreadful this year, so i will predict this will remain stable till eve vegas, which will finalize new plans and by the end of the year we will be going up. the rebuild cycle of eve is slowing down and coming to a close. We should be on an uptrend into 2017.

basicly this thread is stupid

No, NPE is not at fault.

If I hadn't been a craft freak I'd have quit EvE back at the time as well, missing the awesome things you can get to one year later.

As new player I expected to undock and play my little Rifter like in every single other sci-fi game. Instead I got some dumb third person view of some dumb submarine in space. That was really a delusion, considering how cool the ships appear in the videos. "How do I switch to cockpit view? => No, dude, there isn't any of that".

As a new player I expected to get out of a station and go kick ass. Instead what you find is some guy in a battleship / BC playing docking games.
As a new player I expected to get out and try my hand at mining... and what I'd get was empty belt after empty belt. Then I found some roids but the rats would kill my ship so fast I had to leave all the time.

I have played most spaceship games ever created, since Commdore Vic 20 "Star Wars", Asteroids and similar dino-games. And Elite, of course. A MMO that in 2016 still can't compete with Commodore games as for fun gameplay?

If EvE is a sandbox, it should have sand for those who actually like action, not just for Excel brains. I've been lucky I got "picked up" by a corp that teached me how and why to appreciate EvE, but I understand I am part of a minuscule minority.

Also, a game and gamers who defend such game accepting NO criticism or suggestions whatsoever, are doomed to create a stagnant experience for everybody else. Yet, it's exactly the else who are meant to keep refilling the game playerbase natural turnover.

Certain days I want to pull my hairs, I see the same identical attitude vs anything new that I have witnessed in other sandbox MMOs I loved. That attitude drove those games to shutdown.

A tutorial that's a bit more "on rails" so to speak would be better.

"Hello new Capsuleer, I'm such and such, I represent the Minmatar Republic. We made you and we need you to do 'something'."

And then as it progresses the Sisters of Eve and the Angel Cartel and ORE and others start contacting you and making it clear that you can basically do what you want. Oh, and voice the damn things. Slap some cool videos on them. Jazz it up you know, you're trying to sell your damn sexy self EVE.

Edit: Oh, and put making safe spots and using d-scan in the tutorials.

I don't get it sometimes. Who would be against voiceover? They put out those scope news videos all the time, just do a bunch of that type of thing and have them explain what's going on and what to do.

Education is already mandatory. Doesn't appear to have done you any good.

If it was "enough" to cover my needs, then I'd not be here. EvE could do everything SC does and still bring in its superior, player driven economy, it's deep manufacturing, sov mechanics and so on.




Have you ever noticed how technological advancements get copied by everybody?

When they invented the ABS braking system, it took a relatively short time before every car manufacturer would put ABS on their cars. Because it was a Good Thing and thus there was demand.

When they invented the "Common Rail" technology, shortly after other companies licensed it to make it available on their engines.

When they invented the TV remote control, it quickly became a standard every TV producer follows.

I could go on for hours... EvE should not play "fish in his fishbowl" and watch other games grab $100M worth of playerbase in its face. It should study which factors make those games so popular and implement the factors subset that won't affect EvE's unique gameplay / that is compatible with EvE.

The examples from your economy and marketing 1:1 class get copied after they have proven themselves to be superior within one class of product. I am not sure you can put MMOs (even sandbox ones) in a box like you can with cars (in your ABS system case, I think MMOs are more divergent as a group). SC has not proven to be succesfull yet (In raising money: yes. In running a game succesfully: not yet). Also SC did not pull $100M worth of playerbase. They raised $100M for development of the game. If the players who donated, will stay there when/if the product is released, we will have to wait and see. That will decide if it was succesful. There are plenty of kickstarter products that end up dissapointing (I have supported more games that I never ended up playing). Getting the money in itself is only a proof, the idea was good enough to gain interest. It says nothing about how successful the end product is. You are again mixing up concepts in a manipulative way.

back to the idea of SC. You also don't consider that SC is a complex product. There are many aspects that could appeal to people. You do not know which ones tbh. So saying that EVE should adapt feature Z because SC has feature Z (not relesed yet) and it raised Y mill dollars, is a logical fallacy. As it would be the sum of the SC features that raised the money. You don't know the weight of each feature, so with the data at hand now, which feature of SC that appeals to the masses will be pure speculation.
So basically IMO. you have your point you want to bring across. CCP should add activities that you like. If not, it will end in Doom. You then fail to acknowledge that you really cannot claim, what you claim with the data you bring to the table. So basically we could just as well, have a wack at the magic eight-ball.

btw. I am not against adding new feaures to EVE. I just don't like the way you argument for your point of view. Not at all accounting for that your opinion could be wrong or at least to simplified. Also there is the quite narrow and one-sided analyses of your cases (that you bring as facts) to prove your point. Tbh. you cannot truthfully claim that you know which factors make games like SC popular. You know what you want in EVE though, and then go looking for stuff to support that claim with total tunnel vision (be it objectively true or not), and then extrapolate it to account for what most people want. That is just bad style IMO.

Hey why was there a massive one-off dip during June 2015? Did something happen during that time?

There are many reasons to de-sub, the stagnation in null, the imbalance of organised null groups killing disorganised casual players so easily, the boring unengaging PvE grind that often results in frustration as you get yet another random poor drop or you rescue the damsel for the 2000th time, lol couple times I blew up her can for lol's.

Main fun for me was doing anoms in null sec in a carrier, the fun was to annoy people trying to kill you and then re-shipping to kick their butts, but because you are good at it they then just cloaky camp and that is just boring.

Another issue for casual play is that if I go into low sec with a Vargur to run level 5's if I get into a situation I am locked in to that situation until I get blown up or I manage to escape or dock up, if RL hits me I cannot drop the game like others I am stuck in that combat, now yeah its a PvP game, but that explains why casual players do not go to low sec to do more engaging PvE.

I asked for level 5 type missions in hisec for my corpmates to get together and do as a group, rather like group dungeons in ESO, but all I saw was min/max players like Jenn a'snide start going off on if they do that then people will just run them like it! Hell I want fun with my mates that we can get together casual like, which is why I am doing that in ESO, the rewards can be the same as level 4 for all I care, but have fun at what you would have in small gang PvP.

In terms of PvP I like small gang and small alliance PvP in Eve, and I can see that certain entities are now dying, it will take time but its happening.

Anyway so I subbed to talk to a couple of people who were worried about me in RL, and another friend who suggested that I go do some stuff with Spectre fleet, so I thought why not, but then I logged in looked at the logistics and said, nah, and I am back to ESO levelling up a healer.

Also for me my TZ worked against me in getting fun fights, I play during the week and during late AU and earl EU, so I miss all of the fun stuff, this also means that in bigger alliances my participation was naff because I am not staying up to 02:00 AM sitting on a Titan.

And as I pointed out this game requires at least two accounts to be competitive, but I cannot justify paying for that in RL terms and play another game like ESO or having to grind with the PvE that quite frankly bores me.

The friend who talked me into coming back for Spectre fleet for a month has the ability to talk to a number of CCP developers, I like what I hear from him, however I have to say to CCP why did you let it get so damned out of balance so that people who love your lore are playing other games, if anything looking at the development of Eve would be a case studying in how key decisions made in terms of game balance destroyed a great game, and the failure to give mining ships the tanks they have now was one of them, the tech moons was another.

CCP I want you to survive, but damn I find it so difficult to want to play even though I love that PvP adrenaline rush, it is just not enough for me.

One issue is the ease of multiple accounting spying, it makes what should be complex information gathering so easy for people who just buy a new account, so much for engaging game play, the strategic level of the game is now people looking for good fights, that is a shame for Eve and what it could be.

My fun was often to play in a game with such a hard level of difficulty for people who want to exist, I fell out of love when I realised that the player killers had the game made easier and easier for them despite them trying to tell you otherwise on the forums.

I have accounts with ESO, ED and SC too also did the kickstarter on ED and SC, which is why I budget myself, if you give me a discount for the second account I might re-sub and play casual, but with a single account, no, I will de-sub at the end of this €9.99, I cannot justify paying just to keep an eye on whether something juicy has been snagged.

What did I want, well my own space and a chance to operate under the radar, the new structures have a big sign saying come and blap me, does not work for me CCP sorry, its a good try and I like it, but perhaps you need to have what I suggested in the ideas section which was a small structure with cloaking ability that de-cloaks when you enter it and then cloaks again with you in it, has limited functions to enable a player to operate in 0.0 space that they want even if their main structure gets rolled over by PL, think it through CCP...

Nothing's competing with EVE though. There is no other single-shard non-instanced player-driven sandbox spacegame out there. No such thing exists. This game is unique. E:D is peer-to-peer, despite the fact there are so many much more stable methods of creating instanced networking. Oh yah, also, it's instanced. So is SC. EVE is not. EVE is UNIQUE. People who like it will play it, but they'll also play other types of games they like. You and others like you pushing the make EVE less EVE-like and more casual fail to understand that people play more than one game, even as you sit there and tell us how you play more than one game yourself.

For the record, ED has not been that successful. If you'd been there in the early days for the refunds due to no offline mode as promised, you'd understand that. If you'd been there in the early days of the release when people were talking about the unacceptable lack of gameplay in its release state, you'd know that. Clearly, you just picked up a shiny new toy and fail to understand why the shiny exterior is about all you're really getting with E:D.