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Dev blog: Building your Citadel, one block at a time

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Ginger Barbarella
#481 - 2015-12-21 23:03:17 UTC
Sorry if this has been answered already...

Any idea when the skillbooks for building or planting required skills will be made available for viewing or purchase?

Thx!
~ginger

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#482 - 2015-12-23 15:45:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Xindi Kraid
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
Sorry if this has been answered already...

Any idea when the skillbooks for building or planting required skills will be made available for viewing or purchase?

Thx!
~ginger

Per the blog, we already have the skills we will need:
Outpost Construction and Industry

Another poke of the devs though, on when the component changes (and new components) is coming though.
Edwin Rothbard
Interstellar Arbitrage
#483 - 2015-12-28 06:04:59 UTC
The potential for citadels to upend many stale things in Eve is a welcome change.

I've poured over the blogs and the related threads, but I still have some questions:

  • Can large/XL be deployed in high security space like regular POSes or will they be limited to null?
  • Since they can be deployed anywhere, what determines who gets to mine which moon in a system?
  • If a citadel is in immune mode where it cannot be shot, can the owner still man the guns at shoot at ships in low/null/wh space?
  • where will structure modules be manufactured? Station only? can that be done with one of the existing POS modules?
  • where will the hulls be built? Station only? somewhere else?
  • what happens to old pos/outpost modules? do they become collector's items, refunded, or converted to new structures?
  • what about old bpos like POS and outposts? do they get refunded at npc price, converted, or something else?
  • what happens to faction POS/module bcs?
  • what advantages is there to allow public access to a high sec citadel? can you allow/tax others to use your research/manufacturing/market?
  • can you avoid NPC station taxes/brokers fees if you setup a market in a high sec large/XL citadel?
  • 12 of the 15 structure bpos already exist. you can build them right now. they do not have the new build requirements yet. if you build units today will they get converted to the new units or refunded? IE will a "station market network" module built today work as an input into the new citadels?

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Orb Hammerhand
Hephaestus Mining Inc
#484 - 2015-12-28 07:59:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Orb Hammerhand
In the presentation it stated that Freighters will be able to dock at medium Citadels, what about the Orca?
stonefly
Unicorn Solutions
#485 - 2015-12-31 19:03:02 UTC
Honestly im worried about us small time industrial players.. What about small/medium pos towers? Should there not be small citadel too to fill needs of us smaller players? We dont all want to put up several billion citadel just to research out BP's or run some invention jobs...

Sadly this citadel stuff looks by devblogs like handing keys to large nullsec alliances again and forcing us smaller players to join their sandbox instead of letting us play our own corner of global eve sandbox.
Marcus Tedric
Zebra Corp
Goonswarm Federation
#486 - 2016-01-02 11:37:40 UTC
stonefly wrote:
Honestly im worried about us small time industrial players.. What about small/medium pos towers? Should there not be small citadel too to fill needs of us smaller players? We dont all want to put up several billion citadel just to research out BP's or run some invention jobs...

Sadly this citadel stuff looks by devblogs like handing keys to large nullsec alliances again and forcing us smaller players to join their sandbox instead of letting us play our own corner of global eve sandbox.


'Small' structures are now the 'little' deployables - MTUs; Depots; etc.

So the one(s) you are looking for are the 'Medium' Citadels - and around 700m for the hull.

At present, whilst I've seen the Citadel(s) mentioned as covering: SMAs; Markets; Offices; Refining; & Compressing - I haven't seen (iirc) mention of a 'Laboratory' module - but this could be part of a wholly separate 'Research Array' structure later. Factory Arrays are also 'later'.

The one thing that does look to be being seriously nerfed at present is the Small POS + Compression Array which many miners use - for they are a hell of a lot cheaper than 700m!

But POSs will be around, I suspect, for at least another 15 months


Don't soil your panties, you guys made a good point, we'll look at the numbers again. - CCP Ytterbium
Nakota Joe Nakota
Macabre Votum
Northern Coalition.
#487 - 2016-01-09 01:10:02 UTC
I'm thinkin' that all these folks who are begging to make items more expensive and complex to make are batchit crazy. Roll here's my thoughts on it. keep the rigs as are, no need to wreck somebodys gameplan all because you have a ton of whatever and need a use for them. Big smile next, enough about these citadels, I see the only ones showing interest are the ones that already have inside information so why bother us with details? we aren't going to be able to afford them anyway.Ugh final point, since goonswarm is the only corp that is serious about these....and they have advance knowledge, it is clear that they will be running eve soon. and you thought the mutliboxing nerf forced a lot of people out? I don't think you fully understand these implications, until its too late I guess. later taters.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#488 - 2016-01-09 02:31:53 UTC
Marcus Tedric wrote:
'Small' structures are now the 'little' deployables - MTUs; Depots; etc.

The one thing that does look to be being seriously nerfed at present is the Small POS + Compression Array which many miners use - for they are a hell of a lot cheaper than 700m!

A compression deployable would be nice.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#489 - 2016-01-09 02:33:32 UTC
stonefly wrote:
Honestly im worried about us small time industrial players.. What about small/medium pos towers? Should there not be small citadel too to fill needs of us smaller players? We dont all want to put up several billion citadel just to research out BP's or run some invention jobs...

Check out what the NPCs have to offer you.

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Beanhead2
The Bean Consortium
#490 - 2016-01-09 03:51:05 UTC
What is the plan for POS towers, will we get isk for them to help buy a citadel?
Marcus Tedric
Zebra Corp
Goonswarm Federation
#491 - 2016-01-09 12:07:37 UTC
Beanhead2 wrote:
What is the plan for POS towers, will we get isk for them to help buy a citadel?


There isn't a plan - there have been only hints...

I suspect the most likely (given one->one swops are unlikely as everything is different) are NPC Buy Orders (then we can all cry about how undervalued they are and losing billions on faction mods!Big smile)

Don't soil your panties, you guys made a good point, we'll look at the numbers again. - CCP Ytterbium
Nakota Joe Nakota
Macabre Votum
Northern Coalition.
#492 - 2016-01-09 15:44:36 UTC
maybe I missed it in all the ruckus, but can you actually make isk off of a citadel? I mean with people docking in your station and using your services that you paid to provide and fuel......where is the pay off for the station owner or corp?
Marcus Tedric
Zebra Corp
Goonswarm Federation
#493 - 2016-01-10 19:51:03 UTC
Nakota Joe Nakota wrote:
maybe I missed it in all the ruckus, but can you actually make isk off of a citadel? I mean with people docking in your station and using your services that you paid to provide and fuel......where is the pay off for the station owner or corp?


The only thing I know has been said is that you will be able to decide 'who' can dock.

But I am fairly sure that, just as with Outposts, you will be able to charge fees for services - including just docking.

So, that would probably apply to: market taxes; repair fees; refining costs; etc

Don't soil your panties, you guys made a good point, we'll look at the numbers again. - CCP Ytterbium
Roberta Gastoni
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#494 - 2016-01-12 12:01:54 UTC
Any ETA on Structure Advertisement Nexus, Structure Telescope Lens and Structure Acceleration Coils?

The Dev Blog said they should have been added around december to "give players time to acquire and research them before the introduction of Citadels" and with the research event we are getting closer to the release.

Assuming consistency with the other BPOs, researching the ME/TE in a Hyasyoda Research Lab, it will take 18 days for ME or TE 7, another 25 days to pass from ME 7 to 8 and... probably people will stop there, since it's 59 days for ME 9 and 142 additional days for ME 10
DarkChocolate Thunda
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#495 - 2016-01-16 03:19:38 UTC
Maybe its been asked and answered before I haven't found an answer that clearly states a through response to my question. Since stations are going away and I'm sitting on a large stack of faction tower mods Bpc's and tower Bpc's I've read that compensation for people with control towers deployed will be paid but nothing about compensation for people with faction Bpc's.
Ninlarra
Ninlarra Brand Ships and Modules
#496 - 2016-01-16 07:10:50 UTC
Sizeof Void wrote:
Hmm... I find it interesting that, with one exception, CCP Ytterbium has only been responding to posts by Goons. (The one exception is a TEST post.)

Is everyone else's post simply being ignored? Where are the conspiracy trolls when you need them? lol....


Didnt you know? CCP is simply the LLC of the Goons. I mean the CCP guy literally asked the goons wtf they should regarding balence. Its laughable.
Ninlarra
Ninlarra Brand Ships and Modules
#497 - 2016-01-16 07:13:40 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Querns wrote:

It's because we actually have relevant questions about small details that are easy and possible to answer. Most of the rest of the posting is complaining.

If it makes you feel any better, they didn't answer a few of mine.

Other people also have had relevant questions and do get nowhere near the Dev response time that goons have in this thread.
So.... it's a fair complaint, even if your questions have all been pertinent.


Also get off the elistist high horse bullshit will ya? Youre still some random dude, living in a random place, with random kids and a wife wife doing random everyday things. So ease back.
Asptar Monastair
Frontier Adventurers
#498 - 2016-01-20 03:24:53 UTC
It would be nice if the service modules or some related manifestation were visible in space on the citadel when the modules are equipped on the citadel, similar to the turret display mechanic.
Iowa Banshee
Fenrir Vangard
#499 - 2016-01-20 18:47:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Iowa Banshee
As a small corp wormholer I would like to know if I can still do business in the same way I'm doing it now

1) log on, land at tower in Orca
2) Get out of Orca, leaving it sitting in the bubble.
3) Get into an Epithal / Gas Harvester / Stealth Bomber / Scout ship ... what ever
4) Do my thing then and swap back to Orca

DEV's
In a Citadel is it true that anyone would be able to get in my Orca and fly it away

EDIT: Its a C3
Cat Harkness
Twilight Labs
The Serenity Initiative
#500 - 2016-01-20 23:37:01 UTC
Asptar Monastair wrote:
It would be nice if the service modules or some related manifestation were visible in space on the citadel when the modules are equipped on the citadel, similar to the turret display mechanic.


I believe the Modules will be visible on the structure, at least that is what I remember seeing. But of course that was early WIP, so I guess we will have to wait and see.

Cat Harkness

CEO

Twilight Labs