EVE General Discussion

I did not stay updated about that, but there had been a MMO (still in business) that actually had a similar-yet-harsher than EvE spaceship PvP sandbox (I don't know if I can make names). Because when you lost, you'd lose money purchased ships, not ISK purchased ships.

Anyway what you say is not related to how the world goes on.

EvE IS unique, lovely and all of that. It's irripetible, studied, whatever. However, the world outside of EvE is changing and it's that world that feeds CCP the funding, not the other way around.

Therefore, if you create the perfect Ferrari but nobody would not want it any more, you'd get bankrupcy!

It's obvious that if you and me are still here debating about EvE, it's because we both care a lot for it. But you want to keep a "frozen status quo" seen as a university model, whereas I'd like to see EvE in 2030 and... with more than 15k online!

It SUCKS that what you love loses business viability over time, I can tell you because I actually owned a company that was awesome but started losing revenue because what it produced became less in demand over time. One day I closed that company despite it awesomeness.
Do you want to see a "no compromise EvE" hard stuck in 2005 till it shuts down?

Or maybe to have CCP notice WHY there are 2-3 MILLIONs of potential sci-fi players around yet they are losing ground?

Expecially because - as I witnessed for other games, in the end players REALLY go play something else and then the game dies.

EVE's not other games. I know you want it to be, but it's not. Your solution to getting to play another game, of course, is going to play the game you want to play. If EVE dies because the free market doesn't want what EVE offers, then it dies. I have no qualms with that. I, too, will have to find something new. But I have to do that anyway if it becomes something it's not, which means I will defend to its death its current nature and flavour, and if people want something else, I will always make alternative suggestions where I can. Otherwise, the best advice I can give is, play something else.

For the record, yes, I wholly endorse mid-warp ship capturing. I've always wondered why that wasn't already a thing. That would bring some new dynamics to EVE that would be entirely within her nature. Still thinking about your other ideas listed though. You kinda threw a few out in rapid succession.

I can only speak for myself, but if it changes into something that isn't EVE anymore, it dies anyway. So yes. It's not about what I personally like about it, it's about what EVE is, which happens to be something I like. And I recommend you search for the definition of hypocrite. You have not applied the word in a qualified manner.

At the end of the day though, nothing lasts forever. A decade is a long time for any MMO, a very long time. If it's EVE's time to die, it's EVE's time to die. It won't be the first and it won't be the last. If your purpose is to change it to be more like popular stuff just for the sake of having a game called EVE retain longevity, then it's an artificial longevity that EVE has not earned on its unique merits, because it's not EVE anymore.

As one of my favourite Stargate characters once said, "Life, for its own sake, is not worth living."

EVE can't compete with mainstream games because those will always be flashier, newer, more hyped and less archaic. Changing EVE to be more mainstream to try and "save" it results massive issues. Keeping it to its niche results in stable, but slow, growth albeit with a shedding of dead weight when they make that decision (or when it gets made for them because they refused to choose and some other game stepped up).


- focussing on its niche is short term bad, long term good
- trying to make it into something it isn't is short term good, long term bad


People with limited mental capabilities tend to go for short term gains over long term ones, or just go for personal gains while trying to advertise it as "it's better for the game".

At the end of the day, EVE is that independent free-spirit boyfriend or girlfriend that likes you, maybe even loves you, but he or she will never change with the exception of self improvement if they feel they need it. That person is happy with who they are, they love who they are and that's that. They will tell you that they love you, and mean it, but they will also remind you that if you can't take them for who and what they are, if you want them to change into something else, then what you need is to find a new partner who's more in line with what you want them to change into and/or your expected criteria for a partner. They will miss you if you leave, but you'll be easily replaced in the not too distant future, because that person will realise quickly that they need someone who cares about them just the way they are, including their flaws.

EVE Online, in all its glory, in all its failures and flaws, is an entity that may very well challenge the definition of life itself. It has a unique personality that terrifies, bewilders, excites, disgusts, and moves me all at the same time. Again, I can only speak for myself, but it would surprise me if I was the only person to play this game and feel that way about it.

EVE has consistently maintained its nature for over a decade. The drop in subs this year, which may be reversing, is estimated to be roughly 18% at best guess, based on CSM turnouts. That's still a much lower drop in terms of percentages than WoW has seen, and even I wouldn't go so far as to say WoW is dying. That being said, it IS one of the 'popular' mainstream games that caters to the mass market, and if it's struggling, what hope does EVE have anyway even if it goes mainstream?

People seem to be tending towards games that don't cost them anything. They will continue to get games that are worth what they pay for as a result, and miss out on the quality gaming experience EVE provides. It's entirely their loss, and if it results in my loss of this game, then I blame them, not EVE for not changing to pander to them.

This was more of a word-salad than anything with a coherent meaning. Can you elaborate on your point please?

After your comment, I think I understand now.

The people in EVE brag about their achievements because they can arguably feel like very real achievements. Anyone can 360noscopdoabarrelrole420yolo, but not everyone can kill a Myrmidon with an Ishkur, or a Vindicator with an armour-tanked Merlin (no, I didn't do that second one, a friend did, so I'll brag for him. I did the first one though.). The things you achieve in EVE are properly earned. Everywhere else, they're handed to you for free like a participation trophy.

In EVE you work for what you want.
You want to be really rich? You have to work for it.
You want to have power & influence that rivals the position of Sion Kumitomo? You have to work for it.
You want to be known as the resident crazy? You also have to work for that too.

That's a sweeping generalization that is inherently incorrect.