EVE General Discussion

To expand on that, us active players (who do various things within EVE both it PVE as PVP) massively dislike the non-effort "durrrr" attitude and play style some people have. The ones who never learn, who never man up to improve or make stuff happen, people who "mind their own business". EVE is about player interaction in whatever way or form and if someone refuses to interact in a meaningful manner (be it positive, negative or at the very least acknowledging the idea as a whole) then someone will step up and go "there's your interaction" and blow you up.

Miners can do JUST fine and in fact, ganking is GOOD for miners because it takes care of the afk (semi) botters meaning that active miners who pay attention and are actual real normal players get more isk for their ores. Ganking is only bad for non-effort idiots, it's good for everyone else.

It's just that most people new to EVE need a wake up call at some point (I had that well over a decade ago, into my second week of EVE. It made me ragequit at first but I returned with a fierce focus vowing to get it right). That wake up call is going to hurt, can't be helped. Sink or swim.

"The biggest producers are in nulsec. I would still have ships to fly even if every last highsec miner left the game overnight."



That's what I'm getting from these responses. That's what I'm getting from the gankers.
Hi-sec mining is a waste of time & older players who have more ISK than CCP can produce will continue to shoot them like fish in a barrel until they give it up.

For some reason, when I went to quote, part of it got wrecked.

Similar to what you mentioned about Eve being a harsh partner Remiel, part of the problem I see is a good portion of the player base attempts to be just as bad ass, but comes across as phony. Yet if a new player attempts to join the group of hard cores while honestly not having a clue about Eve at its core, mistakes that new player makes are not only highlighted to the rest of the hard cores, the mistakes are rubbed into the new player's face. While there are some that will attempt to teach what went wrong, too often players believing since they play Eve, it is their right to keep stomping on the new player in a vicious ritual of weeding out the weak. The weak will go elsewhere while the strong seem to become stagnant (blue donut) and instead of turning on themselves, "Hey, it's all cool bro!"

As for what Ms. Project altered in the other person's post, those alterations can be applied to Eve to a degree.

"easiest to milk" - CCP has been a master of this for years! Planetary interaction was to be this whole expanded game - their trailer of being a benevolent or a bastard ruler to the people down below is somewhere on my old computer. Or walking in stations and the whole two plus year ~wait~ for CCP to start working on Eve more than just a token. "Soon" is a thrown around aspect to CCP that while I have not kept up lately, are they still on track to fix supers and players can create star gates? Just keep subscribing and wait.

"clothes and skins" - flash the latest style with a "look at me"! feel to it. This is like taking the old "excel in space" aspect of Eve and instead of black lettering on white background, we can color code the letters, squares, and tabs!

"ego inflation" - too often I have seen the same hard cores mentioned above use kill board stats as their badge of honor. There were no boards to rate players that played Eve but followed different career paths: no top player that mined the most ice or rock in a certain time period or a player that created more ships of a certain type over other players. While I read (and probably added a comment or two) back in the day whether those aspects are really a part of Eve at its core or not, that is neither here nor now. Thus the only thing that mattered were kill boards, which leads into -

"e-peen comparison" - Goons worked their way into the top position. Too often these forums had them chastise others as part of the game with the occasional trickle into real life. Aspects within the game is all fair and square; but when it boils into real life is where lines get drawn. I've met (and dealt) with two Goons in real life that acted like "Eve is real" and thought themselves better because they are better within the game. Things got ugly, and I'll leave it at that.

At its heart, Eve is just another video game. I've gotten to a point where I barely visit these forums because all too often the fanatics want to portray themselves as the elite players of the video game world. And disagree with them on anything...

Just my views Remiel - I could elaborate further, but I am getting long winded.

That was a response to someone claiming that "without miners in highsec you'd all have nothing!" What I said was, it wouldn't change a thing. Not that I didn't like them. Rest assured though, my needs are being fully met. All the T2 stuff I fly is supplied by low and nul due to the materials being needed for T2 only coming from there.

If highsec miners disappeared over night we would gradually see a cost increase for low-end minerals which would be plugged by a combination of nullsec mining operations & new miners springing up in highsec to fill the void. In essence though the effect wouldn't disrupt anything.

Also don't forget that T2 item production requires the T1 item as well. Prices would go up, but the void would be filled rather quickly by opportunists.

Ships get blown up in low-sec & incursion points all the time. I don't need gankers as clients. Just like they can get everything they need from their null sec buddies. I get it. Hi-sec mining is a waste of time.

"I'm going to willingly lose out on profits because these guys are shooting ships in a game about shooting ships" said no one ever this guy.

As a producer you should be glad that other people are helping you succeed for free.

The most useful response I've gotten. Thank you.

To your point, I wasn't aware I needed to treat mining in hi-sec the same as mining in low-sec. Things have changed a lot in 3 years.

It's a mutual thing, it increases demand while culling suppliers.

Using minerals to build barges means more demand, more demand results in better prices. Just because you personally don't build barges doesn't mean you're not affected by it all.