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Jill Xelitras
Xeltec services
#21 - 2015-12-21 00:57:14 UTC
DropCam wrote:
What really burns my cookies is why do pay-to-play games need micro transactions?
Isn't this what makes Free to Play games umm..FTP?


Possible reasons:

1. Helps keeping the subscrption fee at a stable 14.95 or lower since 2003 despite wages and other costs rising due to inflation.

2. Additional revenue is always nice. Next we'll hopefully see the eve store back online (and with better shipping deals).

3. Helps finance new content creation. This is especially helpful when the content is not appreciated by the whole community and you mnage to only make the people pay who actually consume your creations. (Do you like my dress ?)

4. ?????

5. Profit

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Otso Bakarti
Doomheim
#22 - 2015-12-21 02:06:37 UTC
I'd be willing to pay $30 a month if it meant the life of the game. Hell. I spend three times that on a Friday night in a bar.
We're talking chump change here

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Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#23 - 2015-12-21 03:46:20 UTC
With plex and being able to play cheaper prices are nice but not necessary imo. I dislike the microtransactions less because they exist but because everyone thinks that this is the way forward. Value is the way forward. Giving and supplying a product that people value that they are willing to pay for to the point of creating more value. Rather than milking the populace for everything you can get out of them like a cheap dime store.

I play Eve because of that value I find in it and tbh I dont find a lot of value in the world around me these days. If CCP screws up that value then fair enough, but until then its worth every cent to me and that coming from me is high praise if youd know me. If anything thats the only thing Id like to see CCP invest back into Eve is true value rather than selling out. They have a superior position to create value as they are already a niche market. Course we all will argue about what is "value" to us till the cows come home in GD and elsewhere anyway. Twisted

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.
Memphis Baas
#24 - 2015-12-21 04:29:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Memphis Baas
DropCam wrote:
What really burns my cookies is why do pay-to-play games need micro transactions?


Microtransactions are extra revenue for CCP that is optional for the players. If they increase the subscription to $30 for everyone, they'll lose a lot of subscriptions; on the other hand if they offer microtransactions they can get more money from the "rich" people who have money to spend, without forcing everyone else to pay more.

In addition, microtransactions have been around for a few years now, and the statistical data accumulated from other games seems to indicate that a "free to play" game that has microtransactions makes a hell of a lot more money than subscription games. So that's why everybody wants microtransactions.

It wouldn't affect your spaceships game if CCP implemented more outfits for the NEX store, and more desirable paint skins for ships; it's fluff, who cares? Except it would make them money. But they suck at doing it right. They're pretty good at "creative ideas" and "cool new stuff" but really suck at "follow-up iterations" and "grinding content" into the NEX or whatever. Always have, probably always will.
Merovee
Gorthaur Legion
Imperium Mordor
#25 - 2015-12-21 06:36:40 UTC
OMG!

I started buying by the year years ago when I got a clue that it was cheaper.Roll

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Tristan Agion
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2015-12-21 09:14:39 UTC
Memphis Baas wrote:
It wouldn't affect your spaceships game if CCP implemented more outfits for the NEX store, and more desirable paint skins for ships; it's fluff, who cares? Except it would make them money. But they suck at doing it right. They're pretty good at "creative ideas" and "cool new stuff" but really suck at "follow-up iterations" and "grinding content" into the NEX or whatever. Always have, probably always will.

Indeed. As someone who actually has poured real money into virtual clothes (which nobody ever sees but oneself) and ship skins (mostly the same), I have to say that both the store itself and the merchandise on offer there are decidedly sub-par. It's like CCP really would prefer that I spend my extra cash on something more sensible...

However, the two issues that most infuriate me are "technical".

1) Why on earth can I not access the store with a browser on the web? Why is it in-game only?! If the store is using the game engine to do fancy stuff (yeah, right...), and that's impossible online (yeah, right...), then just switch off the fancy for the web.

2) Why are there about as much, or perhaps even more, apparel items listed in the game (including info and pics) that are in fact not accessible for players. I mean not just that one cannot buy them in the store, but quite simply that no player apparently has them.
Lan Wang
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2015-12-21 14:12:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Lan Wang
Gregor Parud wrote:
Everyone somehow agrees to prices of everything going up each year. Groceries, restaurants even games you buy. Yet somehow MMO's aren't allowed to go up and in fact people want to pay even less. Stop being poor.


you now pay the same for a digital copy of a game as you do for an actual disc and case, sometimes more, how does that even work What?

If the game is too much then there is plenty of f2p games on the market Big smile

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Solecist Project
#28 - 2015-12-21 14:20:55 UTC
Memphis Baas wrote:
DropCam wrote:
What really burns my cookies is why do pay-to-play games need micro transactions?


Microtransactions are extra revenue for CCP that is optional for the players. If they increase the subscription to $30 for everyone, they'll lose a lot of subscriptions; on the other hand if they offer microtransactions they can get more money from the "rich" people who have money to spend, without forcing everyone else to pay more.

In addition, microtransactions have been around for a few years now, and the statistical data accumulated from other games seems to indicate that a "free to play" game that has microtransactions makes a hell of a lot more money than subscription games. So that's why everybody wants microtransactions.

It wouldn't affect your spaceships game if CCP implemented more outfits for the NEX store, and more desirable paint skins for ships; it's fluff, who cares? Except it would make them money. But they suck at doing it right. They're pretty good at "creative ideas" and "cool new stuff" but really suck at "follow-up iterations" and "grinding content" into the NEX or whatever. Always have, probably always will.

Everything that targets the main modern gaming audience ...
... those with self esteem issues ...
... is selling well.

It's a no brainer. CCP would make a shitton of money with gold ammo and stat boosting **** ...
... just before the game dies a horrible death.

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Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#29 - 2015-12-21 14:20:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Relevant

People aren't "poor", it's just how they look at 'relative value'. 50 freaking cents a day (that is what EVE online costs a monthly subscriber in USD) for access to ALL of EVE is an unbelievable bargain. Going with my family to spend only TWO HOURS seeing Star Wars this week will cost me altogether (in gas, over priced movie theater 'food' and tickets) something like 3 months of EVE time.

I'll say it again, I'm going to spend two hours watching a story that includes an old guy (Harrison Ford) fly a modified industrial ship against some "imperial" types for the same cost of 3 months of BEING an old guy (well, i feel old, 41 is the new 90) actually (virtually) flying a modified industrial ship against some "imperium" types lol.

But people don't do that, they compare EVE to free to play crap (because they are all "mmos") that has the life span of an malnourished arthritic gadfly, then refuse to subscribe.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#30 - 2015-12-21 15:40:13 UTC
If anything, due to inflation over 12 years, the price should be around 17 USD/month now.

And that's counting only 1% inflation/years.

That is a whopping 57c per day.
Mithandra
B.O.P Supplication For Glorious
Dracarys.
#31 - 2015-12-21 15:48:54 UTC
9.95 a month, free updates, all the hatemail and forum dross I can handle? Sounds a bargain to me.

If you are complaining about the cost because "it's a large chunk of my weekly cash" then I'm wondering how you managed to afford a computer to play it on, the internet to play it over, and the roof over your head to keep the rain off your PC in the first place.

It sounds harsh, but free PC games and subscriptions are NOT a Human Right.

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Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#32 - 2015-12-21 16:52:45 UTC
DropCam wrote:
This is where i want to be..
Come on you can do this!
It's Christmas!!


If you don't have RL money to pay for subs you can always join an Alliance in null and start AFKing your plexes each month.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2015-12-21 16:54:10 UTC
TigerXtrm wrote:
Gregor Parud wrote:
Everyone somehow agrees to prices of everything going up each year. Groceries, restaurants even games you buy. Yet somehow MMO's aren't allowed to go up and in fact people want to pay even less. Stop being poor.


The monthly subscription model is kind of unsustainable though.


Tell that to the more than ten years that EVE has sustained it.

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2015-12-21 16:55:15 UTC
Mithandra wrote:
It sounds harsh, but free PC games and subscriptions are NOT a Human Right.


They also tend to be the worst, most dumbed down casual trash out there. You get what you pay for.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#35 - 2015-12-21 17:30:48 UTC
Honestly, just no.

eve should never go to free to play, it might, but it shouldn't

the nex is to supplement eve. thats it.

just pay the damn fee or grind for plex.

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.
ISD Max Trix
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#36 - 2015-12-22 13:34:15 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Max Trix
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Solecist Project
#37 - 2015-12-22 14:00:04 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Max Trix
Sorry, but will you refer it to GMs now ...
... or should we file a petition?

Because if you did it already, I won't put another into the queue...

*snip* Always file a petition yourself. *snip* ISD Max Trix

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Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#38 - 2015-12-22 14:01:25 UTC
Memphis Baas wrote:
It wouldn't affect your spaceships game if CCP implemented more outfits for the NEX store, and more desirable paint skins for ships; it's fluff, who cares?
Well, I haven't been around much the last few years, so my history may be a little inaccurate, but as far as I know it goes like this: CCP has a system for players to paint their ships in development. CCP throw this system out in favour of nickel-and-diming the playerbase for CCP-created paint jobs.

Killing off a feature people were hoping for for years sure did affect my spaceship game.

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Voxinian
#39 - 2015-12-22 14:14:49 UTC
TigerXtrm wrote:
Gregor Parud wrote:
Everyone somehow agrees to prices of everything going up each year. Groceries, restaurants even games you buy. Yet somehow MMO's aren't allowed to go up and in fact people want to pay even less. Stop being poor.


The monthly subscription model is kind of unsustainable though. People are simply not willing to pay 15 bucks a month to play this game. I gladly pay for my subscription but I think we can all agree that this will not support EVE for another 10 years. Times have changed and EVE is slowly but surely shifting to a free to play model (for better or for worse, we will see...). CCP will announce EVE going free to play within the next three years, after laying a firm foundation for micro transactions in the game. It will have to, as EVE players like to say, adapt or die.


I agree (partially). If the month sub would be 9,95 then I would play more months out of a year. Now I only subbed again, because the account page had a discount offer. I might play next month as well, but after that I will be spending my money again on other games. Games are constantly on sale nowadays , so I rather buy a couple of discounted AAA titles then a 1 month EVE sub. Not that I do not wish to play EVE, but I do not wish to spend so much time in EVE (every month) to make me feel the sub price is justified. The longer subscription plans are overall cheaper of course, but sort of makes it mandatory for me to play EVE the whole year cos I payed for it, while I also want to spend time on other things. So if the 1 month sub price would be lower then I will probably buy a sub 4 or 5 month in a year.

F2P however will totally ruin EVE as we know it, so I highly disagree with that.
Voxinian
#40 - 2015-12-22 14:20:50 UTC
Memphis Baas wrote:
TigerXtrm wrote:
Times have changed and EVE is slowly but surely shifting to a free to play model (for better or for worse, we will see...).


They're botching the microtransactions on the NEX and the SKINs pretty badly.

There's no convenience (for previewing full outfits for example, do the pants go with the jacket?); there are only "rare" expensive "designer" outfits and no cheap bulk outfits for the common folk, and the rate at which they're updating the inventory feels like an afterthought. Also, "dark and gritty colors" is the same vision as "this is a PVP game"; unfortunately the majority of the player base insists on PVE'ing in high-sec, completely ignoring CCP.


Clothes are completely BS as you are always in your pod. The clothes were meant for the captains quarters and walking around in a station where your avatar would be visible to others... and that project died.
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