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1) The new globes are too bright and blingy. Please reduce the eye candy, the old system looked fine and usable.

2) Why change the colour designation in the Scan Results window from a full background to a thin coloured line under the result (as you can see in K950's image here) ? It just adds more visual clutter and makes it more confusing to look at.

As suggested by your customer support agent GM Arcade:

Hello EVE-Devs,

Issue:
The pre-defined (not customizable) shortcuts (keys 1 to 0) for selecting d-scan presets interfere with my other (customized) shortcuts. Every time I have my focus on my d-scan window and I want to activate a module I change my d-scan setting instead, which isn't even obvious, because the name of the setting is not displayed. Vice versa, when my d-scan window is active and I want to change the preset via shortcut, simultaneously the corresponding module (in my case high-slot modules) gets activated as well.

Suggestion:
- Hotkeys for d-scan presets and probe scanner filters should be customizable, or at least deactivatable in order to prevent them to interfere with other custom keybindings and to provide more flexible and convenient customization
- Names of custom presets should be displayed in d-scan preset-selection (as it was before btw)
- There should be an option to hide default presets (General, PvP, All etc.) and probably other, not d-scan related, presets

Best regards & Thx,

Sola Atruin

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I fear that may be the case.

Last Wednesday I spent about the whole day in null sec scanning looking for Sleeper sites to run.

The new probe interface is definitely nicer to look at, but is slower, more fustrating to use and takes more effort to work with.

I used the old at the very last system scan of the day. I literally said out loud, Wow this is better!

I would ask any one listening, to make a Minimal Mode for the new interface. No overdetailed, over-colourized bubbles, no starfield, no fancy system crap. And brighten the signatures. And make the mouse movement correspond to more area of the display (you'll notice that the old one rotates faster for each linear movement of the mouse, the new one is "dampened" so much that it takes longer to rotate the camera around.)

And that is precisely the reason I use the old system exclusively when scanning; It is better.


This has nothing to do with fear of change. If the new system would on all levels be just as good and (preferably) on some levels surpassing the old scan-system in quality, I would start using the new system in a heartbeat.
Remember, it's a tool we use. Functionality should go above aesthetics.

I will agree on this count, I find it easier to simply glance at what D-Scan profile I use, of which I have several. If I go into null, low or w-space I may need 3 to go through. I have 4 custom profiles:

dscan ships+drones (I think you know what that one is for :))
dscan ships
dscan wrecks
dscan objects

Wrecks shows wrecks for obvious reasons in dangerous space with unknowns in local or w-space, objects shows corpses and bubbles, force fields and stuff like that.

As for the probe scanner, I literally can re-adjust and rescan a signature in about 2 seconds with the old because: 1) the mouse movement corresponds to more area that is adjusted; 2) it's cleaner and less cluttered; 3) the signatures are brighter and more obvious; 4) the bubbles are easier to grab; 5) the cube is easier to manipulate; and 6) the interface renders faster on my poor old machine.

Tweak a few things, make a Minimal Mode that removes all that starfield riff-raff, de-clutters the system map of stuff like the overdrawn sun, and we'd be set.

I also don't use the beta map. Too confusing. Consider it from the point of a newbie, 6 days old into EVE. Which one do you think would make more sense to him as he tries to get out of Autopilot into manual navigation? The old or the new map? Maybe the new map with its fancy dashed blinking line that links the current system stargate to the next system, and does the cute "shuffle" from one system to the next? Or perhaps the old with separate galactic map and system map?

At least he can tell his general location with the old map. When I get lost in EVE, the first thing I look for is Ultra, because that's where I did my first Level 1 newb missions. The new beta map makes it pretty hard to find Ultra with the unnecessary galactic map rotation and confusing colorization.

Also. http://i.imgur.com/s5l8Nr8.jpg

If it wasn't for me selecting those drones, you can hardly disagree with me that those signatures are EXTREMELY difficult to locate and re-recenter probes on. Yes. Those were 3x Hobgoblin IIs. Try to look for those without the circle which shows their location, and you have an understanding of where I'm coming from. Let's just say I will definiately get out of bed for faction drones :D

I have said before that most of the people who don't have a problem with the new probe interface are the ones that don't do combat probing. Although I don't high-stakes combat probing yet, I have an idea how to do it and using the new interface makes me get nightmares for that job.

Well, after playing a bit with this frostline "event" which implies lots of scanning for WHs, the old remarks mostly stand, with some minor additions:

- dscan minimal distance 0.001 au; hopefully this is just oversight/bug, not new intended limitation

- black solid background please .....

- turn off/dim the sun light - tighter systems + larger zoom and it gets in the way (or add a toggle to turn it off)

- dscan cone/sphere and probe spheres have the same color - please change dscan's color to something else that is pair-wise different to other elements - especially probes and sigs

- dscan cone/sphere, probe spheres, signature spheres - all of this is now far too bright/invasive/vivid - however to call it. To the point it can completely cover other information while generating big blue/red blob on the screen

- accidental bubble grabbing is as irritating and frustrating as it has always been - constantly getting in the way of rotating the map; considering we have now 4 (four) methods to change probes' range (bubble grab, alt+wheel, alt+cones, keyboard shortcuts) - it's just silly ? stubborn ? you don't want to add a toggle to disable this

- it would be nice if new windows (map and probes) minimized to narrow bar like every other window in the game, instead of fullscreening - with no other way to close/float/dock them, than moving away/unpinning whatever happens to be on top of the screen at that moment. Old maps had nice (minimizable and movable) dialog and also reacted to Esc key. Now we have forced buttons on top / in the middle of the screen (of course ignoring camera shift settings), so better not to have any other window there

- another bug/regression: both new probe map and regular map ignore ship camera settings+interface offsets when in fullscreen mode; BOTH old maps do respect them. This is gigantic regression for anyone using shifted camera/interface (majority/all people using more than 1 monitor) and maps in fullscreen


TBH, earlier SiSi implementation was the best (the last one with disabled bubble grabbing). It needed some bugfixing (repeatedly ignored camera shift settings among other stuff) and some finishing touches. The current iteration is frankly speaking getting worse and worse.

At this point the only reasons I'm enduring the new interface are:

- alt+mwheel for bubbles
- dscan/probe shortcut key
- windowed mode (with fullscreen being unusable due to ignored camera/interface shift options)

Agreed. I can barely see the background. IMO its subtle and cool.

Might be monitor settings. Some people may have their monitors brightness/contrast set in such a way that empasises the backround more than they find desirable.

I spent quite a bit of time with my monitor/gpu contrast/brightness settings until I found levels that were optimal for the way I like eve. Would suggust others also look at this. Because every monitor and every game renders colours differently so u do need to adjust to get the best experience.

So how about an option to turn off the probe scanner filter hotkeys? It's possible to activate/deactivate them while typing numbers into the 'save location' dialogue box. That's annoying as hell. It can be avoided if you're careful, but being careful shouldn't be a requirement.

They should probably be assignable in the shortcuts section of the esc menu, anyway. (Anything in the game that has a hotkey should be assignable there, tbh.)

I already wish I had worded some of that a little differently. I don't mean to be TOO harsh about the 'elegant' thing. (I've just been a little frustrated with the it at times.) I can definitely see the allure and satisfaction to designing something that meets that description. It's art. It takes intelligence to do well, and is something to be proud of. It's just that you can do a really good job at it, and the result can still be a big problem for other people. It's just really important to give the players the options, the power of choice, rather than something that will looks nice coming out but that will ultimately limit their options unnecessarily. Customization is superior to elegance.

Not to mention, it can save you work in the future. When a new need arises, and check-boxes can be ticked or un-ticked, it can possibly save having to do further development on some feature to adjust to the evolving game environment.

UI: Dscan - Please, Please, please put back separate value entry boxes for AU and Km distances.
Yes aesthetically the new layout is nice, but ...

Having to toggle when using pirates little helper for example isn't ideal, that or perhaps put in a check so if the value is greater than the 14.3 (also why is there 3 decimal places in the AU field?) it will auto switch to KM values.