EVE General Discussion

But you already bought EVE. Are you planning to keep buying it? How many active subscriptions do you have/plan to have in the future thanks to Apochrypha 2.0 / The Hallelujah Plan / The Rubicon Plan?

At least 1 more lol. I'll be here as long as I like EVE (and I won't blame it on CCP 'tricking' me into subscribing).

Now my turn. CCP has spent 12 years 'ignoring pve' as far as you are concerned. The PVE they do have is sub par (again, as far as you are concerned, I think CCP has done a fine job on creating 'sandboxy' pve).

What makes you think they can or will do different/better in the future? You saw what happened to WiS/EVA Exploration, WoD, DUST, Atmospheric flight right? How much does CCP have to not do before you decide "they aren't the company for me, and I'm not coming back again like I did last time"?

What makes you think these PVP-Centric Developers, some of whom were once PVP players, are one day going to up and say "I've seen the PVE light!!!"?

It's like I say to the marketing alt. You think the situation is so dysfunctional that it's going to die and you are lamenting your subscription (in the same way Market McSelling Alt recently proclaimed that he was "just waiting for his sub to run out"). And yet here you still are, arguing for something that by now you HAVE to know isn't going to happen.

Why?

PVE actions have little effect on the game itself. Examples of PVE effecting game mechanics are Null sec indexes increasing with mining, building, ratting. There is nothing comparable in FW or High Sec.

It would be awesome to have missions effect security status of systems in High Sec, if you want to keep your High Sec you need to run missions and repel the pirate infestation. Conversely if you farm a system like Lann, then the sec goes up to 1.0 and the LP becomes worth less.

Agents should move around based on areas of the game that are missioned less.

There should be events and pve content related to the news information we keep seeing, but barely ever effects the game.

Null Sec should be able to install agents for corps of choice in their stations, let their members run the lvl 4 and 5's or what not.

The bounty system could be replaced by a player generated mission system where you task other players with a legal right to kill said offending player, posting rewards for said player kill and parameters on what and where they should be hunted.

More burner type missions where the rat tries to get away, forcing a PVP fit to run. Or just more PVP fit missioning in general.

That what you are looking for?

LOL, creativity. You should how many ideas i've brought up, all the way from Incarna...

Yet for some reason, the game won't allow me to do them. I would need tools that aren't there.

EVE is like a Lego set. It haves certain bricks, but some others are missing. I can imagine them, and also what could be built with them, but CCP won't even consider designing new bricks.

It's not a matter of creativity, certainly...

Example please.

I've long since given up the idea that you will ever understand anything at all. The average casual high sec mission runner isn't hurting anyone and isn't abusing any isk printing system. Only a relative few are doing any such thing (and I wouldn't call it abuse, incursions and burner blitzing are part of the game, unbalanced yea, abuse, no)



There is that prejudice i love to talk about. And the projecting. I'm not you, you are the hater here (probably like to see null sec deleted). Nothing wrong with there being a high sec in the game or people preferring to live there, so long as the balance is right and the residents of high sec stop asking to have their cake and eat it too.

Installing agents is a bad thing, once they do that nullblocks will just farm them to death amd wreck the market making ships pretty worthless and means people dont need to move to other space to do missions. Do you really want everyone to just sit in the same system and have the best ratting, mining and missions?

So you want npc's to act like players, why not just go after players? Bit of a silly thing really sounds like pvp which is alrready available, moar burner missions....they keep adding more and more of the things, didnt you notice?

Agents should move around? I dont understand how that itself is a tool to create content for pve'er, making people move around doesnt provide content, just inconvenience, but whats stopping you move yourself?

Security of system,if you want that to affect sec status why not just go to lowsec and mission?

None of these ideas are even tools they are just ideas to force people to do something that they may not want to do

See. you are not really discussing are you?

I think your answer here illustrates nicely, that you did not understand my point, and then you, answer something that has nothing to do with what I was writing about. Not only that, what you answer is the same post you keep answering everyone with just with other words.

So to be correct this is me discussing, and you having a one-way monolog, about how you are mad that CCP are not listening to you, and how you fell entitled to WIS.

If you really want to discuss, you can always start with answering(in numbers where required, please, not trends. trends are too easy to manipulate as they hide a lot of variables you cannot account for):

-How do you know that a decrease in PCU equals people quitting EVE? I for example am just playing fallout4, for the time being, will be back.

-How many percent of the people really quitting (Not including people on a break. A dark number, we don't know) were exclusively doing PvE activities?

-How many percent of the people quitting quit due to lack of- or the quality of PvE elements?

-How many percent of the people quitting would have stayed if CCP would have focussed more on PvE?

-How big would the increase be in new players, when focussing on PvE themed expansions compared to focussing on PvP themed expansions compared to other factors like focussing on more commercials?

-how many percent of the PvE'ers are unhappy with the current state of PvE? (in numbers please, not anecdotes about two people you know in EVE)

There are just too many things we don't know to conclude what you are concluding. Like I said earlier, I could make the same row of assumptions for that nerfs in non consensual PvP leads to the decline in PCU. If I looked really hard I could probably also connect nerfs to one ship with decline in numbers. It would most likely not be true, so really no point in discussing it.

For getting new players:
Right now: I think CCP should focus on promoting the parts of the game that are working. I don't hear people complain that much about small gang PvP and FW. Lowsec feels like it is growing theese days. There is also a ton of nice material available, of nice 1 vs many videos to pick from. Have also not heard a lot of complaining about the trading and economics part of the game. There are probably more areas I didn't think off. Why not hype those?

I did on purpose not mention promoting big fights like B-R5RB, as i actually think they hurt the game.They happen too rarely, have tidi and promise something that is far away from new players, leading to dissapointment.

Finally! we are getting somewhere. You cannot answer a small handfull of many questions that one would need the answer of, to really add something intelligent to this discussion. What we know is insufficient knowledge. Your conclusion made on theese are also insufficient. Do you get I do not acknowledge what you have presented as sufficient to conclude what would help this game?

You should not stand your ground so hard on one possible scenario, when the information we have point in every direction IMO. Be more open to other interpretations. You come across as being really bitter(I don't need to hear why you are bitter, this has been expleined to great lenght), decreasing the chance of people actually read what you write.

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Yeah, visit eveonline.com everyday. I am actually on their forums right now o_O.
Joke aside,I was actually thinking of commercials on other platform than eveonline.com. I have the suspicion(without knowing) that most people hear of EVE from someone who already plays or from the big figths when they appear in the news(Have already explained why i find this bad). My point was just if they would advertise on many different platforms, they can highlight the parts of the game that delivers right now more than those that do not . They can do this without leading people into specific roles.

If people join the game, because they expect to play a trading simulator, they will be more happy with the current game IMO, Than if they think they will be in a giant spacefight from day one. The same could be said about people wanting small group PvP, you can dive into that after a few days right now. Recruit this kind of people, CCP can deliver what they want. When they are on the hook, they will try out the rest of the sandbox anyway.
And using other platforms would get them in contact with new people they are not reaching now. I am am pragmatic and would rather have the tried to recruit people who would enjoy what works in the game right now.



Actually I don't agree. I don't think it has been marketed broadly enough. I had never heard of EVE before someone I know from another MMO, posted the EVE learning curve picture.

regarding future development, I actually see alot of interesting features coming up with broad appeal, like the ability to have your very own station and trading station. I also like the new detroyers introducing some pretty interesting mechanics, just to mention two.

I am sure though you will brush off my every argument and keep repeating "It is all more of the same, CCP never does anything new!!!". If you twist the words enough, everything will look the same in the end ;)

The real question for me right now is how do you discuss with someone set in their opinion who just keeps repeating themselves, not taking in arguments? Unfortunately I keep coming back to the answer: you don't.

So I will try to leave this discussion now. Too much involvement, with too little output. I will look forward to read you repeat the same undocumented post over and over again in different threads on this forum. Fly safe.

pvp'ers are more superior, and do you know why? because we will shoot you and there is nothing you will do about it.

You have deemed pvp'ers more superior because you dont fight back, thats submission