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[December] Discovering a New Expedition Frigate

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DrysonBennington
Eagle's Talon's
#261 - 2015-11-14 10:20:32 UTC
Shouldn't there be some type of bonus when Exploration Frigates and Exploration Cruisers are in the same fleet?

Maybe an Exploration Command Ship is order to provide both types of exploration ships with bonuses when the Command Ship is the center piece for the exploration group.

Bonuses would include mining rate and yields as well as analyzer bonuses, etc.

The main bonus would be that the Exploration Command Ship could be in one system providing the bonuses to the exploration types of ships in the fleet that would range from 2 to 10 jumps from the Command Ships location.
Gadolf Agalder
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#262 - 2015-11-14 15:49:43 UTC
Perhaps the Exploration Theme is intended to let new players explore the game function?

What about it?
Hal Morsh
Doomheim
#263 - 2015-11-15 16:29:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Hal Morsh
Selaria Unbertable wrote:
CCP Terminus wrote:

Discovery

...

Role Bonuses:
  • 200% bonus to Mining yield


Are you sure it's not 100%? 200% would mean it can harvest 3 blocks per cycle. With all those duration reductions, that seems pretty strong. I mean, that would theoretically even surpass a Hulk. Not that I'm not fond of a pure ice harvesting ship, but that seems a lot... Looks like I have to train another alt into Expedition frigates sooner than later.



But how gankable are they.


Unbonused ice lasers allowed on ventures wouldn't break anything btw. It would be abysmally slow.

Oh, I perfectly understand, Hal Morsh — a mission like this requires courage, skill, and heroism… qualities you are clearly lacking. Have you forgotten you're one of the bloody immortals!?
Gadolf Agalder
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#264 - 2015-11-15 16:43:19 UTC
Hal Morsh wrote:
Selaria Unbertable wrote:
CCP Terminus wrote:

Discovery

...

Role Bonuses:
  • 200% bonus to Mining yield


Are you sure it's not 100%? 200% would mean it can harvest 3 blocks per cycle. With all those duration reductions, that seems pretty strong. I mean, that would theoretically even surpass a Hulk. Not that I'm not fond of a pure ice harvesting ship, but that seems a lot... Looks like I have to train another alt into Expedition frigates sooner than later.



But how gankable are they.


Unbonused ice lasers allowed on ventures wouldn't break anything btw. It would be abysmally slow.

Hulks have more space to store Ice though.
They also have more tank and carry more drones.
Some of the main draw backs are:
- signature.
- cargo space to haul the hull to null sec (ice space)
- packed cargo space to jump the thing at the same place as above.
- speed, which rivals with titans, battleship, freigthers and what not.
- no cloak at 3 xtimes 100% strip mining turrets loaded and running.

As for the new Exp ship, I would think that ,
if you already trained a Prospect, which is the older Exp ship (frig or not for now),
it won't take long to get the new Exp trained.
Plus, ..., it would still be easier to train faster than a new player would be able to use it to do the Ice mining test and explore her/his potential.
CCP Terminus
C C P
C C P Alliance
#265 - 2015-11-16 10:37:52 UTC
Hal Morsh wrote:
Selaria Unbertable wrote:
CCP Terminus wrote:

Discovery

...

Role Bonuses:
  • 200% bonus to Mining yield


Are you sure it's not 100%? 200% would mean it can harvest 3 blocks per cycle. With all those duration reductions, that seems pretty strong. I mean, that would theoretically even surpass a Hulk. Not that I'm not fond of a pure ice harvesting ship, but that seems a lot... Looks like I have to train another alt into Expedition frigates sooner than later.



But how gankable are they.


Unbonused ice lasers allowed on ventures wouldn't break anything btw. It would be abysmally slow.

The bonus only affects ore mining yield, not ice. I've updated it to mention that. Also the bonus has been changed to 300% to make it much closer to the ore mining rate of the Venture and Prospect.

@CCP_Terminus // Game Designer // Team Size Matters
Hopelesshobo
Hoboland
#266 - 2015-11-18 04:39:39 UTC
CCP Terminus wrote:

How fast can the Endurance harvest Ice?

Endurance
Ice Mining Laser II - 1 block / 330 sec
Endurance Role Bonus (50% reduction) - 165 sec
Mining Frigate 5 Bonus (25% reduction) - 123.75 sec
Expedition Frigate 5 Bonus (25% reduction) - 92.81 sec
Ice Harvesting Skill 5 (25% reduction) - 69.60 sec
Inherent Implants 'Yeti" Ice Harvester IH-1005 (5% reduction) - 66.12 sec
'Ingenii' Ice Harvester Upgrade (10%) - 59.51 sec
'Ingenii' Ice Harvester Upgrade (10%) - 53.56 sec
'Ingenii' Ice Harvester Upgrade (10%) - 48.20 sec

Fastest Cycle = 48.20 seconds


Have you considered to change ice blocks to ice cubes which take up 1m3, while changing any refining to require 1000 ice cubes to refine? This would give the option to cut your cycles early and still get something for your time. Would also make it so you wouldn't have to have long cycle times on the harvesters as they could just harvest fewer ice cubes per cycle for balance purposes.

Lowering the average to make you look better since 2012.
Capsuleer Service Executive
Nornir Research
#267 - 2015-11-19 02:53:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Capsuleer Service Executive
I'd just like to point out there is a graphic of the Endurance on the Eve: Online homepage, on the December 8th update section.

IT LOOKS BEEYOOTEEFULLLL!!!

/cse

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CCP Terminus
C C P
C C P Alliance
#268 - 2015-11-19 18:35:30 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Terminus
Capsuleer Service Executive wrote:
I'd just like to point out there is a graphic of the Endurance on the Eve: Online homepage, on the December 8th update section.

IT LOOKS BEEYOOTEEFULLLL!!!

/cse
I'm sure the art guys love hearing that :) I asked them for icey and they delivered.

@CCP_Terminus // Game Designer // Team Size Matters
Gadolf Agalder
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#269 - 2015-11-19 18:45:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Gadolf Agalder
Mr Grape Drink
Doomheim
#270 - 2015-11-19 18:52:34 UTC
Speaking of the picture, it shows it with 3x lasers on it. Though it only has 1x laser slot. Hacks! Of course, it wouldn't look so pretty with just one of the slots with turrets like it will have.

Also, what do you see being used for the second utility slot on a ship like this? Miner, cloak, ?lolnos?
Gadolf Agalder
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#271 - 2015-11-19 19:02:30 UTC
Mr Grape Drink wrote:
Speaking of the picture, it shows it with 3x lasers on it. Though it only has 1x laser slot. Hacks! Of course, it wouldn't look so pretty with just one of the slots with turrets like it will have.

Also, what do you see being used for the second utility slot on a ship like this? Miner, cloak, ?lolnos?

Sometimes, only one turret works at a time.
That prevent from cap overloading or the electronic circuit from getting mixed up...
Miner cloak and , salvager.
Kibitt Kallinikov
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#272 - 2015-11-19 19:46:08 UTC
ORE ships are supposed to be Gallente with their armor resists, right? All of the frigates have Minmatar resist profile (60/35/25/10). Why is this?
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#273 - 2015-11-19 19:53:42 UTC
Mr Grape Drink wrote:
Speaking of the picture, it shows it with 3x lasers on it. Though it only has 1x laser slot. Hacks! Of course, it wouldn't look so pretty with just one of the slots with turrets like it will have.

Also, what do you see being used for the second utility slot on a ship like this? Miner, cloak, ?lolnos?


Most ship models show more than one turret for each fitted turret.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#274 - 2015-11-20 00:01:52 UTC
CCP Terminus wrote:
Capsuleer Service Executive wrote:
I'd just like to point out there is a graphic of the Endurance on the Eve: Online homepage, on the December 8th update section.

IT LOOKS BEEYOOTEEFULLLL!!!

/cse
I'm sure the art guys love hearing that :) I told them icey and they delivered.


That they did, can't wait.

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This is the law of ship progression!

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Liaura Nightwing
Typhon Heavy Industries
#275 - 2015-11-20 07:18:48 UTC
Laenatus wrote:
Anyone wanna guess what isk/hour you could make with one of these in null?



Well if you are mining Dark Glitter it'll take 12 minutes to fill up the hull, after that if you have a hauler you can keep mining

so 60minutes/12minutes = 5 so you can mine 5 full hulls before an hour hits

I'm assuming Dark glitter is 1,000m3 so that's 15 pieces/12 minutes

15x5=75 pieces in an hour

Dark Glitter values at 350,000isk x 75 pieces = 26,250,000isk/hour

Now normally miners mine for more than 1 hour so lets just say for 6 hours (average time I spend mining)

26,250,000 x 6 = 157,500,000isk and I play 5 - 7 days of the week so we'll say 6 days = 945,000,000isk/hour

depending if you are solo mining or with a group, I usually travel with 3 - 5 so we'll say 4 all running the same ship and mining

945,000,000isk x 4 = 3,780,000,000 isk



This is only if you have all upgrades maxed out and the time down to the 48 seconds to mine ice in nulsec without being bothered :)
Tribal Trogdor
Doomheim
#276 - 2015-11-20 14:21:14 UTC
Anything on stats one the new faction ice miner? Is it still range bonus? LP cost? Is there going to be a dev blog on all that, or do we just have to wait and try to find it when it shows up on the test server? :D
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#277 - 2015-11-20 18:09:17 UTC
Am I the only person who thinks we need to have one mining ship in the game called the "Eureka"?
CCP Terminus
C C P
C C P Alliance
#278 - 2015-11-20 18:26:21 UTC
Tribal Trogdor wrote:
Anything on stats one the new faction ice miner? Is it still range bonus? LP cost? Is there going to be a dev blog on all that, or do we just have to wait and try to find it when it shows up on the test server? :D
Should be showing up on the test server in the near future. The ORE Ice Mining Lasers stats are unchanged from the original post. It will be purchasable from the ORE LP store as usual, and probably won't be quite so expensive as other ORE faction modules.

@CCP_Terminus // Game Designer // Team Size Matters
Pooffy
Astral Mineral Research
#279 - 2015-11-20 18:46:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Pooffy
I'm curious to find out how a fairly smaller vessel can yield more than a barge?

EDIT: grammar
Mr Grape Drink
Doomheim
#280 - 2015-11-20 19:34:49 UTC
CCP Terminus wrote:
Tribal Trogdor wrote:
Anything on stats one the new faction ice miner? Is it still range bonus? LP cost? Is there going to be a dev blog on all that, or do we just have to wait and try to find it when it shows up on the test server? :D
Should be showing up on the test server in the near future. The ORE Ice Mining Lasers stats are unchanged from the original post. It will be purchasable from the ORE LP store as usual, and probably won't be quite so expensive as other ORE faction modules.


Welp...We had saved up several million LP to get these on the market, but looks like that wont be happening now Lol Back to the expanded cargohold market.