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[December] Discovering a New Expedition Frigate

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Anke Eyrou
Hades Sisters
#301 - 2015-11-26 19:01:44 UTC
As an inventor and producer i presume the bpc required will come from the invention of the venture. Will the material requirements to build it be the same as that required to build the prospect?

I expect to get this post deleted or locked. So much for freedom of expression.

CCP Terminus
C C P
C C P Alliance
#302 - 2015-11-27 11:29:51 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Terminus
Anke Eyrou wrote:
As an inventor and producer i presume the bpc required will come from the invention of the venture. Will the material requirements to build it be the same as that required to build the prospect?


Not exactly the same but it should be in a the ballpark.

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Mr Grape Drink
Doomheim
#303 - 2015-11-30 06:42:58 UTC
CCP Terminus wrote:
Tribal Trogdor wrote:
Anything on stats one the new faction ice miner? Is it still range bonus? LP cost? Is there going to be a dev blog on all that, or do we just have to wait and try to find it when it shows up on the test server? :D
Should be showing up on the test server in the near future. The ORE Ice Mining Lasers stats are unchanged from the original post. It will be purchasable from the ORE LP store as usual, and probably won't be quite so expensive as other ORE faction modules.



Will the ORE Miner get the same cost as the new Ice Miner? They are both pretty much "Frig Only" at this point.
VoxOrange
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#304 - 2015-12-06 02:20:25 UTC
Hello CCP Terminus,

The ORE Miner has both range and yield ahead of the tech2.

60m³: 65m³ and 12km: 16km

But the ORE Ice Mining Laser only has range ahead of the tech2.

8km : 11km they are both 330sec cycled.

Intended because the LP cost of the ice version is cheaper?
Walksalone
THE GWG
Pan-Intergalatic Business Community
#305 - 2015-12-08 21:37:54 UTC
CCP Terminus wrote:
Anke Eyrou wrote:
As an inventor and producer i presume the bpc required will come from the invention of the venture. Will the material requirements to build it be the same as that required to build the prospect?


Not exactly the same but it should be in a the ballpark.


I did not see any blue prints for the ice harvesters with this patch
Thor TinBender
Ship Builders Loacal 69
#306 - 2015-12-11 16:10:21 UTC
CCP Terminus wrote:
Some Q&A:



How fast can the Endurance harvest Ice?

Endurance
Ice Mining Laser II - 1 block / 330 sec
Endurance Role Bonus (50% reduction) - 165 sec
Mining Frigate 5 Bonus (25% reduction) - 123.75 sec
Expedition Frigate 5 Bonus (25% reduction) - 92.81 sec
Ice Harvesting Skill 5 (25% reduction) - 69.60 sec
Inherent Implants 'Yeti" Ice Harvester IH-1005 (5% reduction) - 66.12 sec
'Ingenii' Ice Harvester Upgrade (10%) - 59.51 sec
'Ingenii' Ice Harvester Upgrade (10%) - 53.56 sec
'Ingenii' Ice Harvester Upgrade (10%) - 48.20 sec

Fastest Cycle = 48.20 seconds


i might be late and it was probably asked and answered, but i didn't see it. what would the times be with boost? Rorqual, Orca, Mindlink? or do you just minus the the % from the time? i guess i'm just confused on the math.
CCP Terminus
C C P
C C P Alliance
#307 - 2015-12-13 00:14:43 UTC
Walksalone wrote:
I did not see any blue prints for the ice harvesters with this patch

The blueprint is in the market under: Blueprints -> Ship Equipment -> Mining Lasers
It's called the Ice Mining Laser I Blueprint.

Note that the ORE Ice Mining Laser can only be bought for LP and ISK from an ORE station.

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ultimatefox02
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#308 - 2015-12-13 06:20:52 UTC  |  Edited by: ultimatefox02
i look for the rig ( Small Ice Harvester Accelerator I) ? why i can find ? and why you dont put 2 turret hardpoints , same at the Prospect,and why you put 300% bonus on the ORE, if the freg is for the ice mining first, and why we can not fit , the covert ops cloaking same at the Prospect .

sorry for my english
Jaantrag
#309 - 2015-12-13 15:16:33 UTC
ultimatefox02 wrote:
i look for the rig ( Small Ice Harvester Accelerator I) ? why i can find ? and why you dont put 2 turret hardpoints , same at the Prospect,and why you put 300% bonus on the ORE, if the freg is for the ice mining first, and why we can not fit , the covert ops cloaking same at the Prospect .

sorry for my english




* no ice- frig as pointed in the 2nd post of this topic ..
* 1 turret hardpoint with faster cycles gives option to fit 2 utility mods in the other 2 slots less time sitting still to get the last cycle if ur in a hurry, 2 turret hardpoints would have made it the cycle slower to keep it below mining barge levels.
* ore bonus, perhaps so u dont need to have 2 difrent ships but can use one with just refitting the mods
* no cov-ops cloak .. to keep it diffrent from prospect .. else little other tweaking and u could just rename it to "prospect 2 "

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ultimatefox02
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#310 - 2015-12-13 16:03:11 UTC
to go in WH , an industrial use cover ops cloaking, me if i dont have my cover ops cloaking , i dont go there , and why i change my mack for a safe part of space,to a WH with a freg lower a mack

no interest , the interest is having the same stats at the barge or better to do ninja ice mining , to reduce the chance the ennemy find you

no interest for the WH , no interest for noting


fly same
Jaantrag
#311 - 2015-12-13 18:34:18 UTC
ultimatefox02 wrote:
to go in WH , an industrial use cover ops cloaking, me if i dont have my cover ops cloaking , i dont go there , and why i change my mack for a safe part of space,to a WH with a freg lower a mack

no interest , the interest is having the same stats at the barge or better to do ninja ice mining , to reduce the chance the ennemy find you

no interest for the WH , no interest for noting


fly same



"safe part of space" .. u wanna think u talk about hs .. but to start comparing the mack for safe and frig for wh id quess u talk about sov nullsec .. and that place aint really safe .. little bit more then wh if u are digged in and got good intel going .
but then not everyone have that
comparing mack in hs and the frig in wh u actualy make more in wh with the option to pick the most isk/h ice in the belt as belts in wh-s have ALL types of ice ...

but hey .. if ur not intrested of the option to get some thrill of wh - ninja-ing then im sorry ..

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Roa Elim
Yulai Bureau of Investigation and Research
#312 - 2015-12-16 14:39:42 UTC
Hi,
i have full skills for this ship. It seems for me there is a bug. I only have an ore mining yield from 455 m3/min. With 300% boost from ship bonus, it should have a yield round about 700m3/min (3 mlu). Please tell me your experiences or investigate this. So the venture has a better yield. Thank you.
CCP Terminus
C C P
C C P Alliance
#313 - 2015-12-16 23:08:45 UTC
Roa Elim wrote:
Hi,
i have full skills for this ship. It seems for me there is a bug. I only have an ore mining yield from 455 m3/min. With 300% boost from ship bonus, it should have a yield round about 700m3/min (3 mlu). Please tell me your experiences or investigate this. So the venture has a better yield. Thank you.


Part of it will be the number of turrets. The Endurance should have a slightly lower ore yield than a Venture.

The Venture and the Endurance both have a 5% bonus to ore Mining yield per level of mining Frigate, but for the Venture this bonus is being applied to 2 Mining Lasers while the Endurance only fits 1. That's also why the role bonus for the Endurance had to be 300% instead of 100% to bring it closer to the Venture and Prospect.


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Penance Toralen
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#314 - 2015-12-17 00:31:53 UTC
CCP Terminus wrote:
Roa Elim wrote:
Hi,
i have full skills for this ship. It seems for me there is a bug. I only have an ore mining yield from 455 m3/min. With 300% boost from ship bonus, it should have a yield round about 700m3/min (3 mlu). Please tell me your experiences or investigate this. So the venture has a better yield. Thank you.


Part of it will be the number of turrets. The Endurance should have a slightly lower ore yield than a Venture.

The Venture and the Endurance both have a 5% bonus to ore Mining yield per level of mining Frigate, but for the Venture this bonus is being applied to 2 Mining Lasers while the Endurance only fits 1. That's also why the role bonus for the Endurance had to be 300% instead of 100% to bring it closer to the Venture and Prospect.





The Venture wil mine at a ratio of 4 compared to the Endurance 3. (before factoring any MLU). The Endurance really only shines as a ice miner.
Rautha Harkonnen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#315 - 2015-12-17 03:10:05 UTC
is it just my machine or does the ice mining laser have no sound to it when mining?

YES! i do use eve sounds lol. . .
Cristl
#316 - 2015-12-17 15:18:55 UTC
CCP Terminus wrote:
Roa Elim wrote:
Hi,
i have full skills for this ship. It seems for me there is a bug. I only have an ore mining yield from 455 m3/min. With 300% boost from ship bonus, it should have a yield round about 700m3/min (3 mlu). Please tell me your experiences or investigate this. So the venture has a better yield. Thank you.


Part of it will be the number of turrets. The Endurance should have a slightly lower ore yield than a Venture.

The Venture and the Endurance both have a 5% bonus to ore Mining yield per level of mining Frigate, but for the Venture this bonus is being applied to 2 Mining Lasers while the Endurance only fits 1. That's also why the role bonus for the Endurance had to be 300% instead of 100% to bring it closer to the Venture and Prospect.

Stop talking nonsense, that's not how percentages work. The number of turrets isn't the issue here.

The venture lists a '100% bonus to mining yield', and in the attributes section has a 'mining amount multiplier' of 2. That's correct.

The endurance lists a '300% bonus to mining yield', and in the attributes section has a 'mining amount multiplier' of 3. These are inconsistent.

What you want is either:

role bonus: '300% bonus to mining yield', and in the attributes section: 'mining amount multiplier' of 4

or

'200% bonus to mining yield', and in the attributes section: 'mining amount multiplier' of 3

Personally, I couldn't give a crap either way, but let's all be on the same page as far as percentages go.
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#317 - 2015-12-17 20:45:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Iria Ahrens
I only have a problem with the name, Expedition Frigate.

It is confusing with Expeditions in Exploration and Mission running. From the name it sounds like a good frigate to go run Expeditions. Of course looking at the stats of the ship should clear up that confusion for a normal explorer, but what about someone who never ran an expedition before? They might hop in their expedition frigate to chase down this great expedition site that just popped in their Journal.

Call them Prospecting Frigates, or Poaching Frigates instead.

Prospecting has a good adventurous ring to it without the negative connotations of Poaching.

My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.

CCP Terminus
C C P
C C P Alliance
#318 - 2015-12-19 13:54:39 UTC
Cristl wrote:
The venture lists a '100% bonus to mining yield', and in the attributes section has a 'mining amount multiplier' of 2. That's correct.

The endurance lists a '300% bonus to mining yield', and in the attributes section has a 'mining amount multiplier' of 3. These are inconsistent.
I took a look at it, and the multiplier was indeed off. It's been fixed internally to be a full 300% bonus, and should be fixed on TQ in the new year (no holiday patching).

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Roa Elim
Yulai Bureau of Investigation and Research
#319 - 2015-12-19 17:06:30 UTC
Dear Developer.
Please can you tell us, what ore mining yield is intended at the end, with max skills to the Endurance?
I made much maths, but you better know, where you want to have the Endurance positioned.
Thank you and happy holidays.
Roa Elim
CCP Terminus
C C P
C C P Alliance
#320 - 2015-12-21 12:12:51 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Terminus
Roa Elim wrote:
Dear Developer.
Please can you tell us, what ore mining yield is intended at the end, with max skills to the Endurance?
I made much maths, but you better know, where you want to have the Endurance positioned.
Thank you and happy holidays.
Roa Elim


Sure. It should be less efficient to mine ore in an Endurance than the Prospect. Here's what I've calculated:
All values are rounded to the nearest whole number.

Miner II - 60 m3/m
Mining V (skill, 25%) - 75 m3/m
Astrogeology V (skill, 25%) - 93 m3/m
Endurance Role Bonus (300%) - 375 m3/m
Endurance Mining Frigate Bonus V (25%) - 469 m3/m
Low Slot 1 - 'Aoede' Mining Laser Upgrade (10%) - 515 m3/m
Low Slot 2 - 'Aoede' Mining Laser Upgrade (10%) - 567 m3/m
Low Slot 3 - 'Aoede' Mining Laser Upgrade (10%) - 623 m3/m
Inherent Implants 'Highwall' Mining MX-1005 (5%) - 655 m3/m

So, unless I'm missing some bonuses the highest ore mining rate you'll get with a solo character is 655.1 m3 per minute.

With the same math I get max ore mining rate of the other mining frigates:

Venture - 541.4 m3/m
Prospect - 900.7 m3/m (this is due to the extra 25% expedition frigate mining bonus, and the 4 low slots)

So unless you're worried about the ore bay size, you should probably mine ore in a Prospect.

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