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Hey -- just wanted to drop in and thank Team Psycho Sisters for a little thing on the scanning window -- specifically, being able to double click an in-progress probe hit and have the camera shift to its new position as the scan results get refined.

This camera movement greatly aids one's ability to perceive this difference of position on a third axis that a two-dimensional screen can have difficulty expressing. (For me, I always scan top-down, so I'm constantly having to tilt the camera to check the y axis to make sure my probes are still on target.)

It's a great improvement, thanks a lot!

WB !

Anyway, regarding few imho important points in my earlier post - ad. #4, #7 and updated #8 ? #4 and #7 are really "forced" regressions from the sisi version (and with simple checkboxes they don't have to be). #8 is separately a bug (really docking is unusable if camera settings are used, whether it's 1 or more monitors) and a feat. request (with necessary math provided).

So found a thing that can be verry frustrating. If you have a window like chat or something placed at the top center and you go fullscreen the menu bar that is on the top center will disapera behind this and it will be imposible to reverse the fullscreen mode until you figured out where the menu is "hidden" had at least 2 guys in my corp that stoped using the new interface because of this until I told them how to fix this.

Yup we're going to be making those controls more accessible.

I tried and failed to use it.

The old probe scanner had cubes I could click to move them around. I don't know what you did to them, but
- I can barely see them. I'm not even sure there are cubes anymore -- I saw some very tiny arrows lost in the crowd somewhere. The old map presented all the information I needed without much ado and overly convoluted colour schemes. Red dots. Cyan cubes. Blue outlines. Perfection. This new map doesn't show me anything the old map didn't, yet somehow, it looks very cluttered.

- I can't click on these arrows if my life depended on them. I may not be an avid mouse user, I've always slightly struggled with pointing exact locations; but I've always managed quite easily to grab the old cubes and place them where I want them. (I already failed at clicking the arrows even in the old map but at least the cubes were big enough for me).

- When I click something, it's almost certainly "something else" than what I wanted to click. Background stuff, bookmarks, you name it I've clicked it. Why is the background clutter even clickable? What could I possibly want to do with it? Hover over to tell us what it is would be fine. If it really has to be selectable, maybe make it so only when the Alt key is pressed? The probes really ought to be the default here guys. When I click on/near a probe, that's what I want. Not planet VI asteroid belt III. Don't care. Just the probe.

- I think I liked the new DScanner - even though the Scan button is at the wrong side of the dialog. My DScan is at the left side of my screen. My Scan button used to be close- now it's not anymore. But that said, I think I could like it. However, having one checkbox for both "Try the new DScan and Probe window" means I can't get the new DScanner with the old probescanner. I really, *really* need the old probescanner for now.


I know what you're probably thinking. "does this guy even know how to scan?" Well actually, Yes he does. I've lived in a wormhole. I've scanned and hacked and combat scanned and all that jazz. Sites I could scan down in a minute (yea, a pro only takes 20 sec LOL) with the old map took me three minutes and a lot of frustration with the "previous new map". And with this "latest new map" I can't even do it anymore. After reverting to the oldschool scanner I had it in two scans and I was happy again.

In a nutshell: don't remove the old views just yet. I beg you. I'm not opposed to change and most of the bugs seem to be gone now; but without VISIBILITY and CLICKABILITY my scanning career is over.

Apologies if I'm repeating a comment said already (I unfortunately do not have the time to wade through 17 pages of feedback). First off, this iteration of the probing changes seems to have raised the usability quite a bit, so well done! I'm pleased to see a lot of the older feedback taken into account.

There is one thing I miss from the old map, however, and on the off chance that this hasn't been mentioned yet, there something that I'd like to see brought into the new system, if possible. In the old interface, a signal would only turn green once the signal strength hit 100%. It was a quick, visual way to know if the scan succeeded without me needing to check the scan results. In the new interface, however, I've noticed that the signal will often (though not always, it's a tad inconsistent) turn green when the signature gets about 75% strength (You can see that here). I'd love a return back to the old system, where a marker didn't turn green until it was at 100% strength, unless there's some point in turning it green prior to 100% that I'm not aware of. Thanks again for all your work!

Hi,

I've put our points across as best I can. I understand that you don't agree with the direction we're taking with the toggles, but we're just going to have to move on for now.

The offset issue we don't need a video for, thanks though. I checked out the bug reports, and the first one was closed by our outsourcers, presumably because they saw it as a feature request rather than a bug - you've posted in karkur's little things thread with the suggestion, and that is the correct place to post. The latter bug report I'm going to look into, but not as a priority at this time.

Not sure what you're answering with this? Is there a use case with Moon scanning probes that I've missed?

Lines and colors are getting revisited most likely in the next release. The cube not showing the first time you launch is a bug and will be fixed. The custom probe thing has been fixed this morning internally and will be deployed once the fix is tested (not today). Picking the sphere sides is more difficult by design - this was the compromise we ended with to appease those who mistakenly grab the sphere sides, and those who want to scan onehanded without the use of modifiers. The most efficient way to resize probes at the moment is undoubtedly alt-mousewheel.

Allright, let's see how the updated interface will function in practice first. Any timeframe for the new version (whether on tq or sisi) ?



Well, if we add extra toggles then it's a suggestions (though frankly speaking, that thread has 110+ pages, I won't be holding my breath =) ).

But other than that - how "Target Anchor List" aligns targets is another part of the interface that completely ignores camera/interface settings (and it certainly should never ignore it when "Offset Interface With Camera" is enabled). If it's supposed to align relatively to the "center" , and the players sets the center for both ship/hud and interface to be somewhere else - and it ignores that, then it's a bug.

Please whenever you have time, push it to someone that could look into it (I can help at any time). Point being multi monitor setup is almost flawless - and this is one of the very few remaining thorns. As you said you will be looking into space/solar map docking to play properly with those settings, then you can get 2 birds with one stone.



Ok, thanks for that. If you need any more info or video showing it lemme know.