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Burner Changes 10th November 2015? Question to CCP

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Cally Alandra
Royal Beggars Guild
#21 - 2015-11-11 15:34:56 UTC
CCP Lebowski wrote:
You guys rock, thanks to all your awesome info I've got this occurring here for our programmers to see and it looks like we've got some clues as to the cause of this which we're investigating now.

Thanks again!


You gave the Burner team logis incursion drifter stats didn't you Straight
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#22 - 2015-11-11 17:02:42 UTC
Cally Alandra wrote:
CCP Lebowski wrote:
You guys rock, thanks to all your awesome info I've got this occurring here for our programmers to see and it looks like we've got some clues as to the cause of this which we're investigating now.

Thanks again!


You gave the Burner team logis incursion drifter stats didn't you Straight

Don't think so, but you know, it could be worse. They could have gotten Drifter DDs :P

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Cally Alandra
Royal Beggars Guild
#23 - 2015-11-11 18:04:57 UTC
Anize Oramara wrote:

Don't think so, but you know, it could be worse. They could have gotten Drifter DDs :P


Doesn't have to be all of the stats, just some of them. Thinking about it more it's more likely stats from the Amarr NPC's that fight the drifters since I'm pretty sure they have some RR.

I just know that I've done the Hawk team at least a hundred times without problems, and today I burned my Daredevil's blasters to 70% heat without breaking into the first bantam's armour.
Kithran
#24 - 2015-11-12 12:27:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Kithran
CCP Lebowski wrote:
You guys rock, thanks to all your awesome info I've got this occurring here for our programmers to see and it looks like we've got some clues as to the cause of this which we're investigating now.

Thanks again!


I think the root cause may be related to BiaB changes - I've experienced a situation (not while flying a burner mission) where my ship stats (shield hp etc) suddenly dropped - I noticed because I tend to fly with the actual numbers rather than the percentages visible. In my case the max shield hp dropped from over 20k to about 5k.

If a similiar issue affected damage that could be the cause of some of the issues people see and also explain why not everyone is seeing it.

Yes I did bug report my problem.
Market McSelling Alt
Doomheim
#25 - 2015-11-12 12:35:10 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Anize Oramara wrote:
They'd need to double the or triple the income form them then or no one is going to run them, look at the Gurista base for example. Just stating a fact :)

Lol, all these posts about how profitable burner missions are and now you are saying it's not worth it to run them if you can't do it solo. Roll



Confirming the irony of "I am so awesome I can run 75 burners per hour and make a bazillion isk at 10k isk per lp" and "Wait, why did you change burners, there is nothing wrong with them" from the same guy.

CCP Quant: Of all those who logon in Eve, 1.5% do Incursions, 13.8% PVP and 19.2% run Missions while 22.4% mine.

40.7% Join a fleet. The idea that Eve is a PVP game is false, the social fabric is in Missions and Mining.

Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#26 - 2015-11-12 13:27:01 UTC
Market McSelling Alt wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Anize Oramara wrote:
They'd need to double the or triple the income form them then or no one is going to run them, look at the Gurista base for example. Just stating a fact :)

Lol, all these posts about how profitable burner missions are and now you are saying it's not worth it to run them if you can't do it solo. Roll



Confirming the irony of "I am so awesome I can run 75 burners per hour and make a bazillion isk at 10k isk per lp" and "Wait, why did you change burners, there is nothing wrong with them" from the same guy.

But my whole guide is dedicated to you, you're literally the inspiration that made it come to fruition!

I though we had something special Cry

Also since we're on the subject of hyperbole, apparently finding and helping to diagnose bugs is literally worse than various genocidal historical figures.

You just crack me up every time you post Alt Lol

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Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#27 - 2015-11-12 15:27:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Cearain
Cally Alandra wrote:
Anize Oramara wrote:

Don't think so, but you know, it could be worse. They could have gotten Drifter DDs :P


Doesn't have to be all of the stats, just some of them. Thinking about it more it's more likely stats from the Amarr NPC's that fight the drifters since I'm pretty sure they have some RR.

I just know that I've done the Hawk team at least a hundred times without problems, and today I burned my Daredevil's blasters to 70% heat without breaking into the first bantam's armour.



Yep same here. I am wondering if ccp is going to fix this, since they clearly didn't intend it.

This is the fit that used to work but no longer works:

[Daredevil, uni t haw]
Shadow Serpentis Armor Kinetic Hardener
Centii A-Type Small Armor Repairer
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Core B-Type Armor Kinetic Hardener

Coreli A-Type 1MN Afterburner
Small Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier

Light Neutron Blaster II
[Empty High slot]
Light Neutron Blaster II

Small Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Small Nanobot Accelerator I

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Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#28 - 2015-11-12 15:55:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Anize Oramara
Nothing specific in today's patch notes but I haven't tested yet. I assume they're still working on it as that was the last message we got about it.

Edit: Tested, still buggy so maybe tomorrow?

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3

Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#29 - 2015-11-12 16:12:00 UTC
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Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#30 - 2015-11-13 02:51:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Daniela Doran
Colt Blackhawk wrote:
Well at least I can confirm the changes to the Burner Veng since DT yesterday.
Did Burner Veng three times after DT yesterday and killing the first logi will take something like 60 shots in comparison to 20 shots before. Additionally you need to burn your guns to 80%.

Burner Worm seems to be sometimes bugged having extreme alpha.

edit: Captain Ron seems to be trolling :P


Couldn't tell he was trolling since it took me 2 worms and a slicer to break the logi RR tanks on the hawk burner today whereas before I could do it easily with just one worm and a slicer. And the Cruor tank seem impenetrable with the same usual setup until I had to bring in a 2nd worm to barely break that things tank.
SmallShadow
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#31 - 2015-11-13 23:43:19 UTC
Any update on line? a confirmation of "the problem" at least?
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2015-11-14 02:03:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Hasikan Miallok
SmallShadow wrote:
Any update on line? a confirmation of "the problem" at least?


It is a weekend I would not expect anything official the next few days.
Even then, bugs like this tend to be patched in a few weeks/months not overnight.

The ECM/LML Garmur can still take them out just takes longer (with more time on site to get wrecking shots from the jag).
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#33 - 2015-11-14 13:59:44 UTC
So I was trying out a javelin garmur and I noticed that about half my hits weren't actually doing damage to the Jaguar. They were impacting, making nice big explosions but no damage at all so I checked the combat log and yup huge gaps where 2 or 3 volleys just aren't registering damage at all.

At first I though it must be range but my range shows 26.8km and I was orbiting at 25. Just to make sure I tightened up my orbit to 23 KM. That's more than 3km within range and still refused to register damage on half my hits.

I hope that this is what they're fixing or else there's an additional problem that they'll need to look at.

Sample of the logs for anyone interested.

13:49:08    Combat    126 to Burner Jaguar - Scourge Javelin Rocket - Hits
13:49:08    Combat    Burner Jaguar misses you completely
13:49:09    Combat    126 to Burner Jaguar - Scourge Javelin Rocket - Hits
13:49:10    Combat    Burner Jaguar misses you completely
13:49:12    Combat    Burner Jaguar misses you completely
13:49:14    Combat    127 to Burner Jaguar - Scourge Javelin Rocket - Hits
13:49:14    Combat    Burner Jaguar misses you completely
13:49:16    Combat    127 to Burner Jaguar - Scourge Javelin Rocket - Hits
13:49:16    Combat    Burner Jaguar misses you completely
13:49:18    Combat    127 to Burner Jaguar - Scourge Javelin Rocket - Hits
13:49:18    Combat    Burner Jaguar misses you completely
13:49:20    Combat    Burner Jaguar misses you completely
13:49:22    Combat    Burner Jaguar misses you completely
13:49:25    Combat    126 to Burner Jaguar - Scourge Javelin Rocket - Hits
13:49:25    Combat    Burner Jaguar misses you completely
13:49:27    Combat    126 to Burner Jaguar - Scourge Javelin Rocket - Hits
13:49:27    Combat    Burner Jaguar misses you completely
13:49:29    Combat    Burner Jaguar misses you completely
13:49:31    Combat    Burner Jaguar misses you completely
13:49:33    Combat    Burner Jaguar misses you completely
13:49:34    Combat    127 to Burner Jaguar - Scourge Javelin Rocket - Hits
13:49:35    Combat    Burner Jaguar misses you completely
13:49:36    Combat    127 to Burner Jaguar - Scourge Javelin Rocket - Hits
13:49:37    Combat    Burner Jaguar misses you completely
13:49:38    Combat    127 to Burner Jaguar - Scourge Javelin Rocket - Hits
13:49:39    Combat    Burner Jaguar misses you completely
13:49:41    Combat    Burner Jaguar misses you completely
13:49:43    Combat    127 to Burner Jaguar - Scourge Javelin Rocket - Hits
13:49:43    Combat    Burner Jaguar misses you completely
13:49:45    Combat    126 to Burner Jaguar - Scourge Javelin Rocket - Hits
13:49:45    Combat    Burner Jaguar misses you completely
13:49:47    Combat    126 to Burner Jaguar - Scourge Javelin Rocket - Hits
13:49:47    Combat    Burner Jaguar misses you completely
13:49:49    Combat    Burner Jaguar misses you completely
13:49:51    Combat    Burner Jaguar misses you completely
13:49:53    Combat    Burner Jaguar misses you completely
13:49:54    Combat    127 to Burner Jaguar - Scourge Javelin Rocket - Hits
13:49:55    Combat    Burner Jaguar misses you completely
13:49:56    Combat    127 to Burner Jaguar - Scourge Javelin Rocket - Hits
13:49:57    Combat    Burner Jaguar misses you completely
13:49:59    Combat    Burner Jaguar misses you completely
13:50:01    Combat    Burner Jaguar misses you completely
13:50:03    Combat    Burner Jaguar misses you completely
13:50:05    Combat    126 to Burner Jaguar - Scourge Javelin Rocket - Hits
13:50:05    Combat    Burner Jaguar misses you completely
13:50:07    Combat    126 to Burner Jaguar - Scourge Javelin Rocket - Hits
13:50:07    Combat    Burner Jaguar misses you completely
13:50:09    Combat    Burner Jaguar misses you completely
13:50:11    Combat    Burner Jaguar misses you completely
13:50:13    Combat    Burner Jaguar misses you completely
13:50:14    Combat    127 to Burner Jaguar - Scourge Javelin Rocket - Hits
13:50:15    Combat    Burner Jaguar misses you completely
13:50:16    Combat    127 to Burner Jaguar - Scourge Javelin Rocket - Hits
13:50:17    Combat    Burner Jaguar misses you completely
13:50:18    Combat    127 to Burner Jaguar - Scourge Javelin Rocket - Hits
13:50:19    Combat    Burner Jaguar misses you completely
13:50:21    Combat    Burner Jaguar misses you completely
13:50:23    Combat    126 to Burner Jaguar - Scourge Javelin Rocket - Hits
13:50:23    Combat    Burner Jaguar misses you completely
13:50:25    Combat    126 to Burner Jaguar - Scourge Javelin Rocket - Hits
13:50:25    Combat    Burner Jaguar misses you completely
13:50:27    Combat    126 to Burner Jaguar - Scourge Javelin Rocket - Hits
13:50:27    Combat    Burner Jaguar misses you completely
13:50:29    Combat    Burner Jaguar misses you completely
13:50:31    Combat    Burner Jaguar misses you completely
13:50:33    Combat    Burner Jaguar misses you completely
13:50:34    Combat    127 to Burner Jaguar - Scourge Javelin Rocket - Hits
13:50:35    Combat    Burner Jaguar misses you completely
13:50:36    Combat    127 to Burner Jaguar - Scourge Javelin Rocket - Hits
13:50:38    Combat    Burner Jaguar misses you completely
13:50:40    Combat    Burner Jaguar misses you completely
13:50:42    Combat    Burner Jaguar misses you completely
13:50:43    Combat    129 to Burner Jaguar - Scourge Javelin Rocket - Hits
13:50:44    Combat    Burner Jaguar misses you completely
13:50:45    Combat    128 to Burner Jaguar - Scourge Javelin Rocket - Hits
13:50:46    Combat    Burner Jaguar misses you completely
13:50:48    Combat    Burner Jaguar misses you completely
13:50:50    Combat    Burner Jaguar misses you completely
13:50:52    Combat    127 to Burner Jaguar - Scourge Javelin Rocket - Hits
13:50:52    Combat    Burner Jaguar misses you completely
13:50:54    Combat    128 to Burner Jaguar - Scourge Javelin Rocket - Hits
13:50:54    Combat    Burner Jaguar misses you completely
13:50:56    Combat    130 to Burner Jaguar - Scourge Javelin Rocket - Hits
13:50:56    Combat    Burner Jaguar misses you completely
13:50:58    Combat    Burner Jaguar misses you completely
13:51:00    Combat    Burner Jaguar misses you completely

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Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#34 - 2015-11-14 18:18:14 UTC
someone mentioned MGC with range scripts not working in a thread somewhere. although I haven't had that issue myself, but I also don't really use MGCs at all.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter

Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#35 - 2015-11-14 20:39:53 UTC
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
someone mentioned MGC with range scripts not working in a thread somewhere. although I haven't had that issue myself, but I also don't really use MGCs at all.

Sorry, forgot to post the fit

[Garmur, Burner - Unified]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Enfeebling Phase Inversion ECM I
Enfeebling Phase Inversion ECM I
5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Enfeebling Phase Inversion ECM I

Polarized Rocket Launcher, Mjolnir Javelin Rocket
Polarized Rocket Launcher, Mjolnir Javelin Rocket
Polarized Rocket Launcher, Mjolnir Javelin Rocket

Small Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II
Small Capacitor Control Circuit II
Small Ionic Field Projector I

Just the rig to increase range. I'll have to test more to see what's going on.

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3

Desert Ice78
Gryphons of the Western Wind
#36 - 2015-11-14 22:25:52 UTC
just attempted the Imperial Navy Burner team and can confirm that CCP did indeed do it again!!

Two man team missile setup, normally no problem - take out one logi, then the other, then the burner.

Post patch - dps insufficient to break the reps on the first logi.

Closer inspection reveals the possibility of logi defender missiles now playing a part? So how come they can now fit more reps, AND missile launchers?

And as usual - CCP has ****** off and left us to it.

I am a pod pilot: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg

CCP Zulu: Came expecting a discussion about computer monitors, left confused.

Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#37 - 2015-11-14 23:03:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Anize Oramara
Desert Ice78 wrote:
just attempted the Imperial Navy Burner team and can confirm that CCP did indeed do it again!!

Two man team missile setup, normally no problem - take out one logi, then the other, then the burner.

Post patch - dps insufficient to break the reps on the first logi.

Closer inspection reveals the possibility of logi defender missiles now playing a part? So how come they can now fit more reps, AND missile launchers?

And as usual - CCP has ****** off and left us to it.

Well we know it's a bug in this case but in general I don't mind that much, we can adapt and find a way around it. So long as changes are properly documented in the patch notes when they do make a change I'm mostly ok with it. And if they make a mission completely impossible to do solo then it just goes into the skip pile. Gursita Base is already there and after the Orthrus nerf so will Blood Base. I'll advise CCP not to do that but if they decide thats the way they want to go with it then eventually I'll just find something else to do.

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3

Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#38 - 2015-11-15 03:07:42 UTC
Anize Oramara wrote:
Just the rig to increase range. I'll have to test more to see what's going on.

well that's odd Shocked

Anize Oramara wrote:
Well we know it's a bug in this case but in general I don't mind that much, we can adapt and find a way around it. So long as changes are properly documented in the patch notes when they do make a change I'm mostly ok with it. And if they make a mission completely impossible to do solo then it just goes into the skip pile. Gursita Base is already there and after the Orthrus nerf so will Blood Base. I'll advise CCP not to do that but if they decide thats the way they want to go with it then eventually I'll just find something else to do.

Guristas base is mostly just because it is the longest and lowest paying of the burners. and I'm pretty sure on the blood base the gila fit will work just minus a damage mod.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter

Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#39 - 2015-11-15 04:20:23 UTC
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
Guristas base is mostly just because it is the longest and lowest paying of the burners. and I'm pretty sure on the blood base the gila fit will work just minus a damage mod.

Can I add that it just "sucks" from a playability standpoint?

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#40 - 2015-11-15 05:05:54 UTC
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:

Guristas base is mostly just because it is the longest and lowest paying of the burners. and I'm pretty sure on the blood base the gila fit will work just minus a damage mod.

Well for me the Gila is pretty frustrating and random. Might give it another go just to be sure but it's why I built the orthrus fit in the first place :) Maybe theres a way to control drone aggro though the whole point of the ai is that you can't. I'd even be willing to try a cerb but that's because cerbs are kinda cool looking.

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3