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[Focus Group] Capital Ships

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Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#21 - 2015-11-12 07:29:27 UTC
Quickload wrote:
Sgt Ocker wrote:

LOL - Nothing like keeping your focus groups narrow minded and single focused.

You really couldn't have a more biased focus group if you tried.

I feel sorry for the couple of WH guys - The odds of being listened to are well against you. As for the rest of Eve, again we get change to suit the worst aspects of Eve.


There are actually several well-versed WH capital pilots on that list, in terms of both WH capital PVP and PVE.

Yes there are - Shame the rest of the group is so unbalanced (or is it simply a Dev bias).
and of course balancing capitals to suit Wh'rs is so good for everyone else (no offence to WH, I feel sorry for you as far as these changes go)

Why ask for volunteers if your only going to stack the group with members of elitist blob groups?
No way can this group give a broad view of how the average player uses (or wishes to use) capitals.

CCP continue to make it so evident they don't care about small groups.
Setting up the blobs to better maintain balance of power is such a good direction for Eve, or any game for that matter.

My opinions are mine.

  If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care

It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.

Wander Prian
Nosferatu Security Foundation
#22 - 2015-11-12 15:39:51 UTC
Sgt Ocker wrote:
Quickload wrote:
Sgt Ocker wrote:

LOL - Nothing like keeping your focus groups narrow minded and single focused.

You really couldn't have a more biased focus group if you tried.

I feel sorry for the couple of WH guys - The odds of being listened to are well against you. As for the rest of Eve, again we get change to suit the worst aspects of Eve.


There are actually several well-versed WH capital pilots on that list, in terms of both WH capital PVP and PVE.

Yes there are - Shame the rest of the group is so unbalanced (or is it simply a Dev bias).
and of course balancing capitals to suit Wh'rs is so good for everyone else (no offence to WH, I feel sorry for you as far as these changes go)

Why ask for volunteers if your only going to stack the group with members of elitist blob groups?
No way can this group give a broad view of how the average player uses (or wishes to use) capitals.

CCP continue to make it so evident they don't care about small groups.
Setting up the blobs to better maintain balance of power is such a good direction for Eve, or any game for that matter.


You did realise that most WH-corps are quite small? Most fights are done with under 10 capitals on field and wormholers also like to drop capitals into nullsec to cause chaos. Hell, Lords has done solo pvp with a dread...

While yes, w-space has some unique challenges, we still know how to use capitals in small numbers.

Wormholer for life.

xttz
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#23 - 2015-11-12 17:52:44 UTC  |  Edited by: xttz
Sulzer Wartzilla wrote:

You're an idiot. There's 8 dedicated wormhole people, in addition there's lord's servant who has played in w-space a lot, a Thera dweller, the E-UNI guy who lives in w-space, and some HKRAB people among the PL people.

To compare, there's 8 sov null people. You should probably stop posting.


You know the kind of people who comment on Fox news articles ranting about "dem darn immigrants taking ma jerbs"? Ocker is the EVE equivalent that, only with blobs instead* of foreigners. You can't counter his little diatribes with your crazy concepts of 'logic' and 'facts'; they're not welcome and certainly not understood.

*to be fair he could also be a racist too, I don't know
Orca Platypus
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2015-11-12 19:40:43 UTC
Incompetent - 3
Unknown - 4
Corrupt - 12
Good - 7

This is literally worse than T3 group.
I guess for the next group CCP bias will finally get full power, and corrupt people finally get the majority they need to get rid of everything threatening their bot empires in eve.
xttz
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#25 - 2015-11-13 00:25:12 UTC
Confirming I've been corrupted by the Big Cap lobby. All I have to do is sneak in a few Nyx buffs to increase sales and I get a holiday to Hawaii!
Mike Azariah
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2015-11-13 00:52:33 UTC
Orca Platypus wrote:
Incompetent - 3
Unknown - 4
Corrupt - 12
Good - 7

This is literally worse than T3 group.
I guess for the next group CCP bias will finally get full power, and corrupt people finally get the majority they need to get rid of everything threatening their bot empires in eve.



Oh come ON. There has to be some overlap. I am sure at least one person is incompetent, unknown AND corrupt.

m

Mike Azariah  ┬──┬ ¯|(ツ)

Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#27 - 2015-11-13 00:58:39 UTC
xttz wrote:
Sulzer Wartzilla wrote:

You're an idiot. There's 8 dedicated wormhole people, in addition there's lord's servant who has played in w-space a lot, a Thera dweller, the E-UNI guy who lives in w-space, and some HKRAB people among the PL people.

To compare, there's 8 sov null people. You should probably stop posting.


You know the kind of people who comment on Fox news articles ranting about "dem darn immigrants taking ma jerbs"? Ocker is the EVE equivalent that, only with blobs instead* of foreigners. You can't counter his little diatribes with your crazy concepts of 'logic' and 'facts'; they're not welcome and certainly not understood.

*to be fair he could also be a racist too, I don't know

Did you guys even read what I wrote.

I'm sure many who come here to these forums just can't understand simple English and so interpret posts how they want them to read.
Fixating on the fact there are WH representatives in the group, when that is far from the point - So narrow minded.

I acknowledged the WH guys I knew and said I felt for them - If in fact your right and the group does have 9 dedicated Wh's - that is worse.
Between the WH guys and the blob representatives - Where do the rest of us get our voice - Oh thats right - We don't fukin matter because I'm an idiot who can't see when a focus group is stacked AGAINST his (and his groups) style of play.

Yes xttz - Blobber who just doesn't play eve - We all want PL and Goons to decide how the rest of us use Capitals in K space - Because that is a great idea.

As for Sulzer - Try reading what I wrote and replying - Don't bother replying to what you THINK I said. (8 of the top 10 listed + another 4 at least, lower down the list, all nul groups - if my math is right 8 + 4 = 12 :- not 8)
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Personally I don't give a crap about WH escalations - If CCP balance Capitals so a niche group can run escalations it is no better than them balancing them for the likes of xttz and the risk averse group he plays with. (log in once a month or so at the bequest of the blob lords to get on kills or in Xttz's case - every few years)

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Wander Prian - Another one who didn't read what I wrote - Or just thought it pertinent to add useless information - If most WH groups are so small, why do they need 9 representatives on the focus group when small group K space player groups - Who also field 10 or so dreads but live with the threat of the blobs dropping on them every time - Don't get a voice.
Not one representative from a small unaligned group - Yet someone who has not participated in a fight for 3 years is ok? CCP Bias or just this Dev? (picking your friends does not make broad focused group)

Your WH capitals are safe from the rest of New Edens capital groups - Don't see PL dropping 50 supers on your 10 dreads - Do you? (It happens to us often)

My opinions are mine.

  If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care

It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.

Lazarus Telraven
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#28 - 2015-11-13 02:44:48 UTC
Orca Platypus wrote:
Incompetent - 3
Unknown - 4
Corrupt - 12
Good - 7

This is literally worse than T3 group.
I guess for the next group CCP bias will finally get full power, and corrupt people finally get the majority they need to get rid of everything threatening their bot empires in eve.


I know I'm not very well known, but to put me in the unknown list hurts my feelings :\
Jezza McWaffle
Mass Collapse
It Must Be Jelly Cause Jam Don't Shake
#29 - 2015-11-13 07:53:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Jezza McWaffle
The rage in this thread is so hard it makes my ears bleed. And what exactly do you think we talk about in the channel? Grrrrr must make capitals work only for us and nobody else and CCP better not stray from exactly we are saying. Christ your dumb.

You realise our focus is on making capital gameplay fun right? You understand the concept of fun, you know the reason why you play the game, for fun.

Wormholes worst badass | Checkout my Wormhole blog

Always Shi
t Posting
#30 - 2015-11-13 08:31:11 UTC
Sgt Ocker wrote:

wall of insane nerdrage


Heh you are pretty nuts dude
5pitf1re
Black Omega Security
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#31 - 2015-11-13 08:56:04 UTC
Orca Platypus wrote:
Incompetent - 3
Unknown - 4
Corrupt - 12
Good - 7

This is literally worse than T3 group.
I guess for the next group CCP bias will finally get full power, and corrupt people finally get the majority they need to get rid of everything threatening their bot empires in eve.


I wasn't aware that being known or famous would be a requirement for experience. TIL.
Orca Platypus
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2015-11-13 10:14:49 UTC
Mike Azariah wrote:
Orca Platypus wrote:
Incompetent - 3
Unknown - 4
Corrupt - 12
Good - 7

This is literally worse than T3 group.
I guess for the next group CCP bias will finally get full power, and corrupt people finally get the majority they need to get rid of everything threatening their bot empires in eve.



Oh come ON. There has to be some overlap. I am sure at least one person is incompetent, unknown AND corrupt.

m


You are the overlap of Incompetent, Corrupt and Vegetable, Mike.
Is there anything you do at all, except listening to your gewn masters and trying to be smug on forums?
Orca Platypus
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2015-11-13 10:16:41 UTC
5pitf1re wrote:
I wasn't aware that being known or famous would be a requirement for experience. TIL.

Unknown only means I wasn't able to draw a conclusion based on killboards, posting and corp history to reliably place a person within any other group. It doesn't mean nobody knows a guy, it's his intentions that are unknown.
Orca Platypus
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2015-11-13 10:19:14 UTC
Lazarus Telraven wrote:
I know I'm not very well known, but to put me in the unknown list hurts my feelings :\

You are not known at all, but your affiliation has clearly placed you within a group, intentions of which are definitely not unknown.
Orca Platypus
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2015-11-13 10:44:22 UTC
Wish I could take a peek at the clawing of two corrupt groups with conflicting intentions...

Gewnie intentions reek from miles away:
1) Protect the blessed jump range reduction that keeps Deklein out of hotdrop range.
2) Secure and expand the capital ratting, flourishing as a consequence of 1).
3) Preserve and expand the impenetrable safety mechanics for ratting capitals.
4) Turn supercapitals into defensive N+1 superweapons to secure the irl income sources until eve dies.

Pathetic Legion intentions clash with the former:
1) Undo Phoebe, because butthurt.
2) Secure and expand dropping capitals on rifters, as a consequence of 1)
3) Obtain and expand the impenetrable safety mechanics for moving capitals.
4) Turn supercapitals into offensive N+1 superweapons to secure the tear income sources until eve dies.

They will quickly push for the respective 3) together, forming a corrupt coalition, but the following ego clash over the rest of the respective agendas would probably be fun to see.
Lazarus Telraven
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#36 - 2015-11-13 11:47:58 UTC
Orca Platypus wrote:
Wish I could take a peek at the clawing of two corrupt groups with conflicting intentions...

Gewnie intentions reek from miles away:
1) Protect the blessed jump range reduction that keeps Deklein out of hotdrop range.
2) Secure and expand the capital ratting, flourishing as a consequence of 1).
3) Preserve and expand the impenetrable safety mechanics for ratting capitals.
4) Turn supercapitals into defensive N+1 superweapons to secure the irl income sources until eve dies.

Pathetic Legion intentions clash with the former:
1) Undo Phoebe, because butthurt.
2) Secure and expand dropping capitals on rifters, as a consequence of 1)
3) Obtain and expand the impenetrable safety mechanics for moving capitals.
4) Turn supercapitals into offensive N+1 superweapons to secure the tear income sources until eve dies.

They will quickly push for the respective 3) together, forming a corrupt coalition, but the following ego clash over the rest of the respective agendas would probably be fun to see.


I am going to refrain trolling the **** out of you because it would be too easy.

1.) If you could take the tin foil hat off for a few seconds and look at some of the things I have said in regards to supers you will know I am one of the biggest advocates for fixing supers so that small groups can operate moderately safely with them. Especially the guys and gals trying to move their super through lowsec. (I can move my supers through lowsec because I have a fleet of 100 of them)

2.) the 'Gewnies' don't care about 'protecting deklein' most of our active ratters enjoy the combat when they get tackled, check MoA and NCdot killboard for the past months you will see that Deklein isn't some safe mecca.

3.) You can currently make more isk doing HiSec incursions with complete safety.

4.) There is a wide variety of different viewpoints in this group from many different parts of EVE.

5.) You have no idea what the top level of this games motives are as shown by your 8 bullet points. No one wants EVE to die.

6.) The #1 goal of everyone I know is for capitals to have a reason to be fielded thus being put at risk for pvp purposes.

7.) The logs of the slack channel will be logged and made public so everyone will know whats going in.
5pitf1re
Black Omega Security
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#37 - 2015-11-13 11:51:37 UTC
Lazarus Telraven wrote:
Orca Platypus wrote:
Wish I could take a peek at the clawing of two corrupt groups with conflicting intentions...

Gewnie intentions reek from miles away:
1) Protect the blessed jump range reduction that keeps Deklein out of hotdrop range.
2) Secure and expand the capital ratting, flourishing as a consequence of 1).
3) Preserve and expand the impenetrable safety mechanics for ratting capitals.
4) Turn supercapitals into defensive N+1 superweapons to secure the irl income sources until eve dies.

Pathetic Legion intentions clash with the former:
1) Undo Phoebe, because butthurt.
2) Secure and expand dropping capitals on rifters, as a consequence of 1)
3) Obtain and expand the impenetrable safety mechanics for moving capitals.
4) Turn supercapitals into offensive N+1 superweapons to secure the tear income sources until eve dies.

They will quickly push for the respective 3) together, forming a corrupt coalition, but the following ego clash over the rest of the respective agendas would probably be fun to see.


I am going to refrain trolling the **** out of you because it would be too easy.

1.) If you could take the tin foil hat off for a few seconds and look at some of the things I have said in regards to supers you will know I am one of the biggest advocates for fixing supers so that small groups can operate moderately safely with them. Especially the guys and gals trying to move their super through lowsec. (I can move my supers through lowsec because I have a fleet of 100 of them)

2.) the 'Gewnies' don't care about 'protecting deklein' most of our active ratters enjoy the combat when they get tackled, check MoA and NCdot killboard for the past months you will see that Deklein isn't some safe mecca.

3.) You can currently make more isk doing HiSec incursions with complete safety.

4.) There is a wide variety of different viewpoints in this group from many different parts of EVE.

5.) You have no idea what the top level of this games motives are as shown by your 8 bullet points. No one wants EVE to die.

6.) The #1 goal of everyone I know is for capitals to have a reason to be fielded thus being put at risk for pvp purposes.

7.) The logs of the slack channel will be logged and made public so everyone will know whats going in.


All of your points are invalid. Who even are you!? Should we know you? :D
Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#38 - 2015-11-13 12:51:36 UTC
Lazarus Telraven wrote:
Orca Platypus wrote:
Wish I could take a peek at the clawing of two corrupt groups with conflicting intentions...

Gewnie intentions reek from miles away:
1) Protect the blessed jump range reduction that keeps Deklein out of hotdrop range.
2) Secure and expand the capital ratting, flourishing as a consequence of 1).
3) Preserve and expand the impenetrable safety mechanics for ratting capitals.
4) Turn supercapitals into defensive N+1 superweapons to secure the irl income sources until eve dies.

Pathetic Legion intentions clash with the former:
1) Undo Phoebe, because butthurt.
2) Secure and expand dropping capitals on rifters, as a consequence of 1)
3) Obtain and expand the impenetrable safety mechanics for moving capitals.
4) Turn supercapitals into offensive N+1 superweapons to secure the tear income sources until eve dies.

They will quickly push for the respective 3) together, forming a corrupt coalition, but the following ego clash over the rest of the respective agendas would probably be fun to see.


I am going to refrain trolling the **** out of you because it would be too easy.

1.) If you could take the tin foil hat off for a few seconds and look at some of the things I have said in regards to supers you will know I am one of the biggest advocates for fixing supers so that small groups can operate moderately safely with them. Especially the guys and gals trying to move their super through lowsec. (I can move my supers through lowsec because I have a fleet of 100 of them)

2.) the 'Gewnies' don't care about 'protecting deklein' most of our active ratters enjoy the combat when they get tackled, check MoA and NCdot killboard for the past months you will see that Deklein isn't some safe mecca.

3.) You can currently make more isk doing HiSec incursions with complete safety.

4.) There is a wide variety of different viewpoints in this group from many different parts of EVE.

5.) You have no idea what the top level of this games motives are as shown by your 8 bullet points. No one wants EVE to die.

6.) The #1 goal of everyone I know is for capitals to have a reason to be fielded thus being put at risk for pvp purposes.

7.) The logs of the slack channel will be logged and made public so everyone will know whats going in.


6) (the only one worth responding to) - Is not going to be achieved while ever groups like your exist - You simply create too much imbalance with your risk averse game play.

Until there is reason for the large dominating groups to fight each other - Small groups will always be "content" for the blobs.
CCP has no idea how to and no intention of, getting the blobbers to fight each other, so nothing changes. (As long as they keep paying subs CCP is happy - Small groups don't matter)
Capital ship changes.. Jump nerfs and fatigue.. Citadels.. All worse for small groups than blobs.
No amount of ship balancing or new Citadels (Which further limit the ability of smaller groups to operate supers, optimally) is going to change the risk averse nature of PVP in Eve.

My opinions are mine.

  If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care

It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.

Orca Platypus
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2015-11-13 12:57:51 UTC
Lazarus Telraven wrote:
I am going to refrain trolling the **** out of you because it would be too easy.

That's right, go back to your ratting nyx.

Lazarus Telraven wrote:
1.) If you could take the tin foil hat off for a few seconds and look at some of the things I have said in regards to supers you will know I am one of the biggest advocates for fixing supers so that small groups can operate moderately safely with them. Especially the guys and gals trying to move their super through lowsec. (I can move my supers through lowsec because I have a fleet of 100 of them)

2.) the 'Gewnies' don't care about 'protecting deklein' most of our active ratters enjoy the combat when they get tackled, check MoA and NCdot killboard for the past months you will see that Deklein isn't some safe mecca.

3.) You can currently make more isk doing HiSec incursions with complete safety.

4.) There is a wide variety of different viewpoints in this group from many different parts of EVE.

5.) You have no idea what the top level of this games motives are as shown by your 8 bullet points. No one wants EVE to die.

6.) The #1 goal of everyone I know is for capitals to have a reason to be fielded thus being put at risk for pvp purposes.

7.) The logs of the slack channel will be logged and made public so everyone will know whats going in.


1) Yep, in full accordance with Pathetic Legion point 3), you already push for safety mechanics when moving supers. So far you're supporting my call.
2) Sure, sure. Gewn tears are always tasty, keep them coming. I not only read the killboards, but also the MoA mail section, you know. So much "enjoyment" there, oh my. Just remembering the interceptor tears... yum!
3) "Nerf hisec". Now we're back to citating gewn forum crying guidelines. The incursion point has been refuted many times, update your guidelines already.
4) I never denied variety. I just stated a fact that within this group there is a corrupt cell which has ulterior motives.
5) Sure, sure. Not to die, just to be milked to the bone at the expense of everything else. And then die.
6) The #1 goal of your corrupt party is to remove any and all risk to your $$$. Don't bother denying the obvious, you've been at it for years.
7) So what? You'll get a deal under the table with the other corrupt party and both make a push for priorities I stated, with a fake agenda - maybe the usual "help the little guy" or something more fitting to the cause, I don't really care to take apart the double face charade here. I just state that the double face will appear, and for whatever fake reasoning it bring, will push towards the priorities I stated.
Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#40 - 2015-11-13 13:04:12 UTC
Always Shi wrote:
Sgt Ocker wrote:

wall of insane nerdrage


Heh you are pretty nuts dude

If pointing out others shortcomings and failures to understand simple English is nuts - Then yes I am.

My opinions are mine.

  If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care

It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.