Missions & Complexes

Hi.
I actually did tons of burners.
But today already the second time I almost cannot break the tank of the logi in the burner Veng mission.
I did this mission for sure 30+ times and my fit always worked (unified daredevil). Just today already the second time I really cannot break the damn tank.

So question to CCP: Did you change something today? And how the hell shall I break the tank of these thingies if not with 90% web and 360dps +oh.

Edit: Okay confirming Burner Veng logi tank A LOT more since today. Still doable with unified Daredevil but you will have to almost burn out your guns for the first logi.

Edit 2:
Okay I did burner worm already 20+ times but seems CCP buffed the dps. That thing aphad me almost today. Was in 90% struct with first hit. Survived only with overheat all (fir was unified DD

Edit3: Before DT Today the first burner veng logi needed around 20 shots to go down.
Did the burner VEng two times after DT today and the first logi needed 60 up to 70 shots.

This was confirmed in patch notes.

Burners will also get a 95% dps and 65% resist/hp buff in December.

yes the new intention is 2-3 man teams for burners to improve gameplay.

They'd need to double the or triple the income form them then or no one is going to run them, look at the Gurista base for example. Just stating a fact :)

FYI, the burner Worm is unchanged. OP got an unlucky (or lucky since he survived) double tap if his hardeners were on/OH. I've had that happen to me twice before, both times I was not as lucky

Ran the Worm just now, no extra damage taken on first volley.

Lol, all these posts about how profitable burner missions are and now you are saying it's not worth it to run them if you can't do it solo.

I'm not going to say they don't need some kind of nerf, but taking high end solo content and making it middle of the road group content just seems wrong. Hell they do that and how many people are even going to run it? Remember that time loot spew was going to get people to team up for exploration That said if this comes with burner agents, and I can form up a 4-5 man gang to roam around and crush burners then it has a chance to be interesting.

I'll admit I'm kinda bored with burners. I'm trying to get group burners going in signal cartel. Some of those runs are very possible to end up in low/null sec. But requiring burners to be group play is well, against nearly everything the mission system currently is. I wouldn't mind some sort of change to pve in general to encourage more groups, but to randomly change something and not say anything is not the way to do it. Plus I think it is good to have some accessible solo content. Players can't always log in for 10 hours a day or commit to a multi-hour op.

I don't have the stats, so it is very possible that not enough people are running burners so some one at CCP thinks a mix up might get more player interaction with the content? The only evidence I can submit on that front is that most of them have been sitting near max lp rewards. I'm not sure why the blood and gurista versions are lower, maybe there aren't even enough people completing either to raise the rewards more, or maybe people have found cheap setups that can run them? Forums are a small slice of the player base after all.

All I can say is after playing with burners this last year I'll never be able to go back to mindless red cross shooting. If they do make changes I'll have a lot of liquid isk to play with.

A this point without any evidence for either of his claims I'd probably consider it Trolling and/or rumormongering. Should probably flag the post as such, just causing negative knee jerk reactions.

I mean it'd be interesting if it were the case and having decently paying 2 to 3 man content would actually be fun but burners don't pay out enough currently to justify using alts, never mind another person. People who aren't currently running burners will not suddenly and magically start running them then either. Also anything that requires 2 to 3 people can be done with alts.

The only thing the current change/bug did to team burners is raise the skill level required to run them and make the time to run them a little bit more random but that is all. In fact it spurred me to make a hybrid polarized/ecm fit that over all might be faster than what I was using. In classic Eve fashion it backfired quite spectacularly.

The problem is if the change was made on purpose, not putting it in the patch notes is extremely bad dev communication and is a horrible precedent to set. It makes it impossible to trust any patch notes published by CCP and thus trust CCP on nearly anything. Next time someone complains about stealth nerfs all I'd be able to do is shrug and say, 'they did it with burners, it's entirely possible they did it with null anoms/complexes/incursions/exploration/etc.' or 'It's not in the patch notes? That doesn't mean anything'

Well at least I can confirm the changes to the Burner Veng since DT yesterday.
Did Burner Veng three times after DT yesterday and killing the first logi will take something like 60 shots in comparison to 20 shots before. Additionally you need to burn your guns to 80%.

Burner Worm seems to be sometimes bugged having extreme alpha.

edit: Captain Ron seems to be trolling :P

edit2: Can plz someone from CCp say anything? Is this intended (nothing in patch notes) or a bug?

[Daredevil, Burner Vengeance]
Corpii A-Type Small Armor Repairer
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Core B-Type Armor EM Hardener

Coreli A-Type 1MN Afterburner
Small Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 400
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier

Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
[empty high slot]
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S

Small Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Small Nanobot Accelerator I

For the burner Veng mission:
Before the first logi took something like 20 rounds to kill with overheat.
Since yesterday it takes around 60 rounds overheated ending mostly with guns burnt at around 80%.
Did it four times now since dt yesterday and it was always the same.

Worm seems to have sometimes extreme alpha sending you directly into structure with one shot.
Happened only once.