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Operational: Dark Gardens of the Empire

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Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#61 - 2015-11-09 02:08:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Elmund Egivand
Diana Kim wrote:
Anyanka Funk wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:
But you saw him clearly not in a proper combat ship doing a non combat activity. You expected someone clearly not out for combat to not use such things? Even thinking he was in a safe spot he wasn't flying something to fight in and you knew so when you were scanning him down.

I believe they are at war. He could be in a pod for red god's sake and still be up to something terrible. They are literally both soldiers, except Elmund chooses to act like a cowardly civilian.

This.

He was a wartarget in the opposite controlled system in some sort of minmatar rust bucket. I have no idea what he was using that rust bucket for, but I know for sure it flies and it can fit weapons.


Why yes, just because we are at war makes it compulsory to only ever take part in combat activities.

Ever heard of scouting? That's the kind of job where fighting is *not* the priority.

Ever heard of logistics? Your best interest is to not be shooting at anything.

Besides, a privateer is allowed to operate at his own discretion considering that he is not part of an actual military outfit. He is simply that, someone who is commissioned to do things for the benefit of the employing faction. He is paid for whatever work done for his employer and nothing else.

And finally, appealing on grounds of ignorance simply does not fly in this day and age. Don't know what something is? A quick Galnet search will tell you everything you need to know. Of course, since you can't even imagine that somebody has access to your combat records simply by putting in keywords in a search engine, I doubt you can comprehend the concept.

Finally, you don't know what a Probe is and what it does and whether it is actually *fit* for combat? Either right click the ship name in your d-scan to find out information or use the ISIS system, you ignorant buffoon. Yes, a Probe can be fitted for combat, usually as an electronic-warfare heavy mix-weapons platform. Yes, it's suboptimal. No, you don't find those plundering Data off a Data Site most of the time, you find them in a Novice or a Small Plex.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Arrendis
TK Corp
#62 - 2015-11-09 02:45:49 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
And finally, appealing on grounds of ignorance simply does not fly in this day and age. Don't know what something is? A quick Galnet search will tell you everything you need to know. Of course, since you can't even imagine that somebody has access to your combat records simply by putting in keywords in a search engine, I doubt you can comprehend the concept.

Finally, you don't know what a Probe is and what it does and whether it is actually *fit* for combat? Either right click the ship name in your d-scan to find out information or use the ISIS system, you ignorant buffoon. Yes, a Probe can be fitted for combat, usually as an electronic-warfare heavy mix-weapons platform. Yes, it's suboptimal. No, you don't find those plundering Data off a Data Site most of the time, you find them in a Novice or a Small Plex.


This. A solo Probe is not going to be combat-fit. Ever. If he is operating outside of high-sec, and is not stabbed, then he has a cyno, and engaging him witih anything that cannot volley him off in a single shot will mean you're facing at least torpedo bombers, and possibly either Force Recons or Strategic Cruisers. How well would you have fared if, instead of being scan-fit and withdrawing, he'd been fitted out as a throwaway bait cyno, and you'd found yourself against a trio of Proteus-class cruisers?

Either way, it's a foolish move to expect to engage a Probe with a single long point or single scram and expect to hold it down. It's like expecting to be able to do that to a Heron. You know how Herons work, right, Kim?

Diana Kim wrote:

He was a wartarget in the opposite controlled system in some sort of minmatar rust bucket. I have no idea what he was using that rust bucket for, but I know for sure it flies and it can fit weapons.


You call yourself a soldier, yet you don't educate yourself about the weapons you might be facing? You need to correct that mistake, Kim. Correct it fast, or it will kill you.
Anyanka Funk
Doomheim
#63 - 2015-11-09 07:00:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Anyanka Funk
Diana Kim wrote:
I have to clarify, I had no idea what "Data site" or whatever he was in, so words of that tribal Elmund Egivand are worthless, as usual.
I have scanned directly his ship, not any "site" he was in. I thought he was simply sitting in a safespot, hiding from me, after I tried to get him in a plexes. So, I scanned down his "safespot" and warped there in seboed caracal, thinking he didn't have stabs.

But his "safespot" turned out to be a Data site, and he had stabs.

So, you see, Ms. Funk, I am hunting enemies, not any sites, and if I need to camp, I camp military complexes instead. I don't care about any "Data sites", I care about federal lapdogs like Elmund Egivand, trespassing in Caldari space.

Now let's see..

I'm trying to imagine this in my head.

You either have a combat scanner on your caracal, which seems like a terrible idea, or you have a scout.
You have a seboed caracal for a probe...

There is a ship called an astero. It can cloak, it can lock faster than a seboed caracal, and it can fit dual scrams.. I know this because I've hunted ventures in Anoikis before.

And an astero can also tank a probe very easily. And it has drones.. Which is better than what any other covop frig has for destroying other frigs.

So.. Um.. I suggest you buy an astero for any frig gank.

Seriously. He probably started aligning as soon as he saw caracal at one AU on dscan.
Nick Bete
Highsec Haulers Inc.
#64 - 2015-11-09 07:10:54 UTC
I'm surprised that Kim didn't have her Falcon flying associate along with her as well. You know, just to act as moral support. Roll
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#65 - 2015-11-09 19:54:21 UTC
Nick Bete wrote:
I'm surprised that Kim didn't have her Falcon flying associate along with her as well. You know, just to act as moral support. Roll

Ahaha.
I see there's another gallentean idiot imagining falcons everywhere. As they say, fear has huge eyes. Right, gallentean?

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#66 - 2015-11-09 19:58:27 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:

Why yes, just because we are at war makes it compulsory to only ever take part in combat activities.

Ever heard of scouting? That's the kind of job where fighting is *not* the priority.

Ever heard of logistics? Your best interest is to not be shooting at anything.

Ever heard of courage and sane thinking?
Your attempt to cover your cowardice and ignorance is cute, but worthless.

Oh, and if I will need someone to comment what I should shoot and what should I not, I'd better ask a more competent pilot, than a deranged gallentean pet lapdog farmer of tribal origin.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#67 - 2015-11-09 20:00:22 UTC
Arrendis wrote:

You call yourself a soldier, yet you don't educate yourself about the weapons you might be facing? You need to correct that mistake, Kim. Correct it fast, or it will kill you.

And again, if I will need any combat advice, I'll ask someone more experienced and smarter than a dumb goon loudmouth.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#68 - 2015-11-09 20:08:08 UTC
Anyanka Funk wrote:

Now let's see..

I'm trying to imagine this in my head.

You either have a combat scanner on your caracal, which seems like a terrible idea, or you have a scout.
You have a seboed caracal for a probe...

There is a ship called an astero. It can cloak, it can lock faster than a seboed caracal, and it can fit dual scrams.. I know this because I've hunted ventures in Anoikis before.

And an astero can also tank a probe very easily. And it has drones.. Which is better than what any other covop frig has for destroying other frigs.

So.. Um.. I suggest you buy an astero for any frig gank.

Seriously. He probably started aligning as soon as he saw caracal at one AU on dscan.

I already have asteros. Thank you. I operate with what I can grab in the system. I had a sebo caracal from previous operation. I can't always bring what would be most suitable to counter the target, as the time could be lost.

And I really know how to catch and tackle coward farmers like Egivand. Caracal could have worked. I did only a mistake thinking he was honorable. He obviously not. I don't think we should continue this discussion.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#69 - 2015-11-09 20:21:26 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
And I really know how to catch and tackle coward farmers like Egivand. Caracal could have worked. I did only a mistake thinking he was honorable. He obviously not. I don't think we should continue this discussion.
That's not an issue of honor, that's an issue of him being completely stupid. Obviously you failed in your assessment and were basically out smarted by common sense.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#70 - 2015-11-09 21:27:04 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
And I really know how to catch and tackle coward farmers like Egivand. Caracal could have worked. I did only a mistake thinking he was honorable. He obviously not. I don't think we should continue this discussion.
That's not an issue of honor, that's an issue of him being completely stupid. Obviously you failed in your assessment and were basically out smarted by common sense.

I am a Caldari Officer, I can't be outsmarted by dumb tribals.
I didn't lose anything, but learned a lot about him.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Arrendis
TK Corp
#71 - 2015-11-09 22:06:11 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
And again, if I will need any combat advice, I'll ask someone more experienced and smarter than a dumb goon loudmouth.


Then do so. Because you need combat advice. By your own admission, you are lax, sloppy, and ill-prepared. You have no appreciation for the potential complications of a given situation, and no capacity to accept the responsibility for your short-sightedness. You are overconfident to the point of being a danger to yourself and those you fly against, and you compound that danger by charging recklessly in without even attempting to evaluate what you can see on the field, and what you might not see, waiting.

Diana Kim wrote:

I have no idea what he was using that rust bucket for, but I know for sure it flies and it can fit weapons.


This is the extent of your comprehension of what you were attacking. A ship that almost never carries weapons is assumed to have weapons because you cannot conceive of a specialized frigate actually performing in the role for which it was designed.

Diana Kim wrote:
Nick Bete wrote:

I'm surprised that Kim didn't have her Falcon flying associate along with her as well. You know, just to act as moral support.

I see there's another gallentean idiot imagining falcons everywhere. As they say, fear has huge eyes. Right, gallentean?


No, you colossal fool, he's mocking you.

Diana Kim wrote:

I already have asteros. Thank you. I operate with what I can grab in the system. I had a sebo caracal from previous operation. I can't always bring what would be most suitable to counter the target, as the time could be lost.

And I really know how to catch and tackle coward farmers like Egivand. Caracal could have worked. I did only a mistake thinking he was honorable. He obviously not. I don't think we should continue this discussion.


You're right. You shouldn't continue this discussion. Because your every word only makes it more obvious that you aren't fit to captain an automated garbage scow, let alone be responsible for the lives of a crew in combat. Because 'responsible' is precisely the thing you're not. You are, in fact, such a danger to your own crew that if I had to wager, I'd put a few billion ISK down on the idea that avoiding responsibility for pretty much everything in your life is absolutely the only thing you put any effort into, whatsoever.

Yes, time could be lost acquiring the right tools for the job. However, if you don't have the right tool, why are you attempting to perform that job? If you went out solo hunting in a Caracal, you should have fitted the cruiser properly to go solo hunting. If you didn't have a cruiser fitted out for solo hunting, why were you hunting solo?

The issue has nothing to do with honor. The issue has to do with being foolish. An unarmed capsuleer piloting a frigate who is suddenly attacked by an enemy cruiser does not have an obligation to remain and die. Just the opposite: he has an obligation his crew to not spend their lives needlessly, and an obligation to his superiors to survive and report back on your activities. If anything, sitting there and letting you kill him would be dishonoring those commitments.

So, if you want to go and find someone with more combat experience than I have, please feel free. They will tell you precisely the same things. And, if you are very, very lucky, they will manage to beat some sense into that solid block of moldy cheese you call a brain.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#72 - 2015-11-09 22:19:52 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
And I really know how to catch and tackle coward farmers like Egivand. Caracal could have worked. I did only a mistake thinking he was honorable. He obviously not. I don't think we should continue this discussion.
That's not an issue of honor, that's an issue of him being completely stupid. Obviously you failed in your assessment and were basically out smarted by common sense.

I am a Caldari Officer, I can't be outsmarted by dumb tribals.
I didn't lose anything, but learned a lot about him.

Right..... That's why he got away. And you learned a "dumb tribal" can easily escape from a caldari officer with no knowledge of her enemies' ships or basic fit set ups for those ships that would dictate to you they were more than likely stabbed.

Stupid tribals: 1
Caldari officers: 0

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#73 - 2015-11-09 23:10:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Diana Kim
Arrendis wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
And again, if I will need any combat advice, I'll ask someone more experienced and smarter than a dumb goon loudmouth.


Then do so. Because you need combat advice.

That is to be decided by someone more competent than you.

Arrendis wrote:
By your own admission, you are lax, sloppy, and ill-prepared.

I never said it.
An incompetent idiot goon said it about me.

Arrendis wrote:
You have no appreciation for the potential complications of a given situation, and no capacity to accept the responsibility for your short-sightedness.

Which is an obvious lie, that only an absolute idiot could believe in.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#74 - 2015-11-09 23:11:13 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
And I really know how to catch and tackle coward farmers like Egivand. Caracal could have worked. I did only a mistake thinking he was honorable. He obviously not. I don't think we should continue this discussion.
That's not an issue of honor, that's an issue of him being completely stupid. Obviously you failed in your assessment and were basically out smarted by common sense.

I am a Caldari Officer, I can't be outsmarted by dumb tribals.
I didn't lose anything, but learned a lot about him.

Right..... That's why he got away. And you learned a "dumb tribal" can easily escape from a caldari officer with no knowledge of her enemies' ships or basic fit set ups for those ships that would dictate to you they were more than likely stabbed.

Stupid tribals: 1
Caldari officers: 0


Since I didn't lose anyhing in this engagement, it should be rewritten as:

Stupid tribals: 0

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#75 - 2015-11-09 23:17:55 UTC
Arrendis wrote:

No, you colossal fool

Said Arrendis, oh the irony...

Goon, could you please STOP applying your qualities on other peoples? Okay, thanks, bye.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#76 - 2015-11-09 23:18:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Deitra Vess
He didn't get a kill when he wasn't after one. You didn't get a kill when you were...

Valid point game:
Stupid tribals: 2
Caldari officers: 1 (from that first post addressing Arrendis)
Don't like how I score it? Explain why I'm wrong in my thinking.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#77 - 2015-11-09 23:21:14 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
He didn't get a kill when he wasn't after one. You didn't get a kill when you were...

Valid point game:
Stupid tribals: 2
Caldari officers: 1 (from the post addressing Arrendis)
Don't like how I score it? Explain why I'm wrong in my thinking.

Actually, yes, neither I nor him killed each other.
However. I did PUSH him away from whatever he was doing in our system, causing him to flee. Thus:

Stupid tribals: 0
Caldari officers: 1

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#78 - 2015-11-09 23:23:17 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
He didn't get a kill when he wasn't after one. You didn't get a kill when you were...

Valid point game:
Stupid tribals: 2
Caldari officers: 1 (from that first post addressing Arrendis)
Don't like how I score it? Explain why I'm wrong in my thinking.


Edit:
Arrendis, do you wish to be scored as a stupid tribal or should I make a "dumb goon" team for you? ATM I have you as a stupid tribal like me and Elmund.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#79 - 2015-11-09 23:25:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Deitra Vess
Diana Kim wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:
He didn't get a kill when he wasn't after one. You didn't get a kill when you were...

Valid point game:
Stupid tribals: 2
Caldari officers: 1 (from the post addressing Arrendis)
Don't like how I score it? Explain why I'm wrong in my thinking.

Actually, yes, neither I nor him killed each other.
However. I did PUSH him away from whatever he was doing in our system, causing him to flee. Thus:

Stupid tribals: 0
Caldari officers: 1

I'll give ya it......

Stupid Tribals: 2
Dumb Goons(?): 0
Caldari Officers: 2
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#80 - 2015-11-09 23:51:01 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:
He didn't get a kill when he wasn't after one. You didn't get a kill when you were...

Valid point game:
Stupid tribals: 2
Caldari officers: 1 (from the post addressing Arrendis)
Don't like how I score it? Explain why I'm wrong in my thinking.

Actually, yes, neither I nor him killed each other.
However. I did PUSH him away from whatever he was doing in our system, causing him to flee. Thus:

Stupid tribals: 0
Caldari officers: 1

I'll give ya it......

Stupid Tribals: 2
Dumb Goons(?): 0
Caldari Officers: 2

Now why do you even include her? She is just a loudmouth, I never saw her in first place anywhere.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.