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Felsusguy
Panopticon Engineering
#21 - 2015-11-05 15:54:51 UTC
Styphon the Black wrote:
You guys are really complicating something very simple.

All that would need to be added it a "Link Account Page" on the "Account Management" section of the EVE website. You would input the User Name and Passwords of all the accounts you have and hit submit. Just have an "Add Account" button and it gives you two new fields for each additional account. You would then verify this by doing the same thing in with the other accounts. That is how verification of who owns what accounts (and toons associated with those accounts).

Then in game now every linked toon can see and has access to take from and put item in every other linked toons hanger. Problem solved.

This would be very easy to do.

No API or other weird abusive methods. You could not exploit this because you would have to have the account user name and password. Which means if you already had someone else's user name and password you could exploit them regardless of this ability.

That sounds like a terrible idea.

I say if you are going to support this idea, go all the way. Let people share hangars with complete strangers if they want.

What could possibly go wrong? Pirate

The Caldari put business before pleasure. The Gallente put business in pleasure.
Styphon the Black
Forced Euthanasia
#22 - 2015-11-05 16:07:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Styphon the Black
Felsusguy wrote:
Styphon the Black wrote:
You guys are really complicating something very simple.

All that would need to be added it a "Link Account Page" on the "Account Management" section of the EVE website. You would input the User Name and Passwords of all the accounts you have and hit submit. Just have an "Add Account" button and it gives you two new fields for each additional account. You would then verify this by doing the same thing in with the other accounts. That is how verification of who owns what accounts (and toons associated with those accounts).

Then in game now every linked toon can see and has access to take from and put item in every other linked toons hanger. Problem solved.

This would be very easy to do.

No API or other weird abusive methods. You could not exploit this because you would have to have the account user name and password. Which means if you already had someone else's user name and password you could exploit them regardless of this ability.

That sounds like a terrible idea.

I say if you are going to support this idea, go all the way. Let people share hangars with complete strangers if they want.

What could possibly go wrong? Pirate


The only person that you are sharing your hangers with is you. You sharing your hanger with yourself.

Now if a person gives away their account USER Name and Password to someone else, that is on them. However, the ability to link hangers wouldn't give any more ability to steal from that person than you already have if you know someone else's User Name and Password.

There really isn't any "new" ability with this suggestion. Just an easier interface to be able to swap items between your toons.
Felsusguy
Panopticon Engineering
#23 - 2015-11-05 16:11:22 UTC
Styphon the Black wrote:
The only person that you are sharing your hangers with is you. You sharing your hanger with yourself.

Why should a player with alts get an advantage that two separate players would not?

The Caldari put business before pleasure. The Gallente put business in pleasure.
Amarisen Gream
The.Kin.of.Jupiter
#24 - 2015-11-05 16:20:40 UTC
Styphon the Black wrote:
You guys are really complicating something very simple.

All that would need to be added it a "Link Account Page" on the "Account Management" section of the EVE website. You would input the User Name and Passwords of all the accounts you have and hit submit. Just have an "Add Account" button and it gives you two new fields for each additional account. You would then verify this by doing the same thing in with the other accounts. That is how verification of who owns what accounts (and toons associated with those accounts).

Then in game now every linked toon can see and has access to take from and put item in every other linked toons hanger. Problem solved.

This would be very easy to do.

No API or other weird abusive methods. You could not exploit this because you would have to have the account user name and password. Which means if you already had someone else's user name and password you could exploit them regardless of this ability.



You are missing the point on the abuse...

Prime example of a possible abuse/exploit

Here I have gone and snuck into a Providence Block Alliance - I meet the people, I build trust and I work my way up the ranks.
Now, I have shared hangers and Providence is NRDS, (Not red don't shoot). Under the linked accounts, with no security of APIs etc, I could steal every blooming thing I get my hands on, and slap it in a hanger for another toon, who is neut or blue via being in another Providence Block Alliance.

All my Alliance mates would see is that I took all their stuff. I would then have an easy time setting my medical clone to my NPC starter station, and let them clean clone me home. And they, the players in the alliance and collation are none the wiser that they still have spies, which are then capable to easily sneak the stuff out or sell it for ISK.

---Having this shared hangers overly simplifies the possibility of abuse.

---You have to have checks and balances dude. Yeah, It might only be my accounts linked - but all my accounts are in the same corp. What if your a player who purposely has like 30 accounts, just for the sole purpose of spying and stealing from other players, you just made it supper easy for them, because with out the information being supplied via API to corp leaders and security officers, on who is sharing hangers with whom, you'd see a massive drop in large corps b/c they wouldn't be able to trust anyone. And trust in EVE is all ready a thin and nearly dead subject.

"The Lord loosed upon them his fierce anger All of his fury and rage. He dispatched against them a band of Avenging Angels" - The Scriptures, Book II, Apocalypse 10:1

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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#25 - 2015-11-05 16:58:43 UTC
I think I get it !!!


My one account got busted for RMT and all my accounts got banned and frozen. I'm over at my neighbor's house, made a new account from a different IP and now I want to share all my banned RMT account hagar stuff w/ my new non banned character.


No
Styphon the Black
Forced Euthanasia
#26 - 2015-11-05 18:23:53 UTC
Amarisen Gream wrote:
Styphon the Black wrote:
You guys are really complicating something very simple.

All that would need to be added it a "Link Account Page" on the "Account Management" section of the EVE website. You would input the User Name and Passwords of all the accounts you have and hit submit. Just have an "Add Account" button and it gives you two new fields for each additional account. You would then verify this by doing the same thing in with the other accounts. That is how verification of who owns what accounts (and toons associated with those accounts).

Then in game now every linked toon can see and has access to take from and put item in every other linked toons hanger. Problem solved.

This would be very easy to do.

No API or other weird abusive methods. You could not exploit this because you would have to have the account user name and password. Which means if you already had someone else's user name and password you could exploit them regardless of this ability.



You are missing the point on the abuse...

Prime example of a possible abuse/exploit

Here I have gone and snuck into a Providence Block Alliance - I meet the people, I build trust and I work my way up the ranks.
Now, I have shared hangers and Providence is NRDS, (Not red don't shoot). Under the linked accounts, with no security of APIs etc, I could steal every blooming thing I get my hands on, and slap it in a hanger for another toon, who is neut or blue via being in another Providence Block Alliance.

All my Alliance mates would see is that I took all their stuff. I would then have an easy time setting my medical clone to my NPC starter station, and let them clean clone me home. And they, the players in the alliance and collation are none the wiser that they still have spies, which are then capable to easily sneak the stuff out or sell it for ISK.

---Having this shared hangers overly simplifies the possibility of abuse.

---You have to have checks and balances dude. Yeah, It might only be my accounts linked - but all my accounts are in the same corp. What if your a player who purposely has like 30 accounts, just for the sole purpose of spying and stealing from other players, you just made it supper easy for them, because with out the information being supplied via API to corp leaders and security officers, on who is sharing hangers with whom, you'd see a massive drop in large corps b/c they wouldn't be able to trust anyone. And trust in EVE is all ready a thin and nearly dead subject.



Lol...you do know you can actually do this today? Linking accounts doesn't change anything. Everything you just complained or worried about you can do in EVE right now. I can do the same thing today with the tools EVE gives me. It is called "Trade" and "Contracts" or I can just take it dump it in a container or jettison it and have an alt pick it up.

This is no more exploit or abuse or ability to steal or spy than exists today. It would just be easier to move things around if you added linked accounts your accounts. That is all.
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