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Again, why do you insist that this particular cruiser should be able to passive tank C3 sites- what makes it so special, why not use other ships, why not active tank it? Being able to passive tank a cruiser for C3 PVE content with enough dps is obviously broken, you need to come up with a viable explanation why it should remain overpowered and not go on tangents about beheaded pets.

Why not get right to it. take the Caldari race out of the game and stop the death of 1000 paper cuts. Then take all the ships out of the game and replace them with a tricycle and a plastic spork to fight with. There is your perfect game balance. Why is it every few years CCP has to try and drive off 1/3 of its customer base?

CCP if you want to nerf the Orthrus dont hurt the damage output, nerf the Disruptor/Scrambler range bonus.

With a nerf like that the ship will be way more vulnerable then it is. The true force of the orthrus is the hability to tackle at very long range, specially when linked with OOG. Nerf the point range and they will be obliged to go at closer distances where most of the ships can deal with them.

Honestly can't remember last time I got killed by a Gila, been killed by plenty of other ships because I suck tho

How about we finally get that Black Ops rebalance? Where's that?

Probably my first post because I feel very strongly concerning the Gila. Probably wall of text with wandering subject.

First off the loss of a lows combined with less cpu is a horrible nerf, current fits are already CPU limited if you try to fit launchers and a full t2 tank and damage mods. A common fit for fleet PvP will by a DCU and 3 DDA's and then we buffer tank it and fix holes in the mids and choose whether we want an AB or utility mod, neuts/RLML and DLA in highs. In a fleet setting this allows the Gila to punch well above it's weight and is also heavily anti-t3 since our tank isn't cap or speed based and our dps cannot be stopped.

Solo you get a lot of variation, you can drop a DDA and a LSE + invuln for a cpu augment in low and micro/point and some HM/HAMs for blistering dps to cruisers and still being able to stomp frogs who can't outrun mediums. It's a very dominant ship in it's class.

Alright now for PVE it's pretty simple. It gets a hull resist bonus per racial cruiser level with a dps bonus on missiles to prop up it's dps. You can buffer fit it with specific hardeners and it can solo DEDs and combat anoms pretty handily with 500-600 dps and an almost magical resist profile. The other way is to passive tank it and you find it becomes a bastion of death to most PVE in the game at cruiser-BS level. 4 shield relays will have it pushing 800 dps passive tank with resists factored in on a broad resist tank, if you fit it for a specific race it will be even higher.

Ok now some checks and balances. Price is one, it is the 2nd most expensive faction cruiser. Drone based, kill/cripple/outrun it's dps and it's no better than a brick. In the same note I do believe the drone HP is rather high and could use some balancing since they get near cruiser . Fitting is a pain, you cannot fully t2 fit this ship without sacrificing dps since it it cpu limited, a passive tank will see you using meta 4 shield relays in the lows with meta 4 launchers in the highs since to fit 4 DDA's you will run out of cpu. For site running Class 3 wormholes it's balanced for the fact that while it tanks every site, it requires you to actually spend money to make money amd can take a while to make back due to the constant threat of being dropped and because sleepers will focus your drones and cut your dps in half or completely during this due to webs/killing drones. Also for the sites the constant dps isn't a problem, battleship alpha is what drives your passive down as you can lose close to 10-20% shield in a volley while fully passive fit, if you like to be edgy and tank at 30-40% this could see ypu losing your ship if you overestimate your hull (I am guilty of this on a few ships). One of the benefits to running sites in a gila compared to say a drake or a gila is that you are a target that is hard to actually kill, a drake is big and slow with laughable application compared to what will be dropped on you, any tengu you find in a wormhole running C3's will be active tanked and you just have to fit an AB and a neut and you mitigate a majority of it's dps while it caps itself out (short of being blingy with a pod fit for active tank). Both the drake and a tengu are harder to get into than a Gila, drake requires heavy missile skills and if you want to actually clear sites you need to train the supports, the tengu is a t3 and as always will be a minimum of 400m to purchase and require months of trainning. Gila on the other hand, train t2 shields (important train for anyone), medium drones a bit so your dps is worth using, and the hull to 4 for resists and it's ready to roll out and run sites. It's a very newbro friendly train for people just starting their WH career or daytrippers trying their hand at something new. I've owned at minimum 6 of these specific hulls and given them away to newer members of my corp so they can join us as dps for site running as they are very forgiving in terms of being focused by waves and I lile to see them actively participating in fleets. Loss of a low slot makes them unusable for all c3 sites, period, there is no replacement unless you want to train into a drake which is worse in every way

Alright now a better solution to balance the PVP dominance of the Gila compared to other faction cruisers (ignoring t1 cruisers beacuse this hull costs exponentially more than a t2 fit t1cruiser).

1. Separate the drone HP and damage bonuses, then lower it's dps bonus to drones to 450%/400% and give the drones a slight nerf to hp at 400% so they can be killed a little easier.

2. Remove a launcher and then the Gila doesn't have as much issue with the -20 CPU hit but can still be able to fit for HM/HAM and do reasonable dps for the cost of it's hull but still separating us from a slot and giving us 4 highs (3 missile 1 utility), while not killing the passive Gila.

Closing statments

Just because a hull is better at something at its hull level than anything else doesn't make it broken, it makes it unique (please don't mention the orthrus, quit engaging linked and snaked hulls or bring a sebo'd celestis/maulus). Removing a ship's viability in an entire section of PVE because you didn't realize not everyone flys a t3 or rattlesnake for a 30m site is rediculous, you're also lowering newer pilots ability to build their wallets when they are just trying to do something new and exciting. I like finding a Gila in my chain, you can't simply solo it mid site and encourages cooperation to kill.

There's other stuff but it's already a wall of text

I recommend you go on SiSi and try to run sites with our Gila first then try to run it in a drake, then a tengu, then a rattlesnake. Then look at the site value and time to completion for each. You'll see why it's the hull we choose.

I really don't get why people use Gilas for wspace PvE soloing. T3s are just so much better in like every way for doing this, and it's not like they're expensive these days.

Hint: Exp/Kin resists are irrelevant when soloing C3s in a cruiser.

After a while you become jaded by this. "New Ships!" announcements inspire the memory of Lucy pulling that football away from Charlie Brown.