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Yes 5th slot is great, but you can't fit inything in it, because it have on extra CPU.

One resist plating won't make it shine. Damage output is still pathetic, it needs t2 lasers to work, so can't be "derpfit to same extend as atron or tristan.

It needs to have that damage bonus on top of that 4th turret and needs that extra cpu to fit heatsink/energised membrane/rcu2 to make beam plated mwd fit

+ 1 across the board for all the frigatz fozzie . Good changes ... love the fact the u made punisher into a dps support frigate.

Interesting changes to gila/worm. but i think -20 on the worm is a bit harsh considering its a frigate . Same nerf as a cruiser ??

Orthrus: i had many concerns to this . but instead of reducing the overall damage . I would say just remove the bonuses towards RLML . Reasons are: with bonuses only towards HML and HAMs, they will be able to hit larger targets harder and smaller targets bad. It should allow ppl to get enough counter play with interceptors and t3'ds .

On a last note . No changes to garmur doing 8km/s with links ????

Everything looks good but.....

THE PUNISHER BUFFS ARE ABSOLUTE TRASH

Your current iteration of the Punisher makes me think someone said 'How can I make the current weaknesses of the Punisher worse?'

Let's not give it the third mid it so badly needs, retain it's crap tracking with lasers so you can't hit anything, remove it's only form of range control (neut in the utility high), give it an extra low it can't fill because of the horrendous CPU and give it an extra turret and high so the fittings become even worse.

What in the actual hell was trying to be achieved? Whoever came up with these changes are so far removed from the lowsec small gang/solo frigate meta. They are nothing short of absolutely clueless.

So the punisher is getting it's old projectile turret bonus back, eh?

While we're chatting about ship balance, Light Missiles as a platform overall apply damage far too well to small ships.

Have you ever tried to tackle an Orthrus or a Cerberus?

Even when Orthrus pilots mess up (which is almost impossible), with a cheeky Kitsune in the comp, you just jam them off.

Currently the ONLY way to kill an Orthrus is through gross pilot error or by warping 30 dudes on top of them after probing. Keep the scram and point bonuses but bring Light Missiles on cruisers more in line with the way that the Omen Navy Issue works.

I like the Omen Navy overall because it's incredibly fast, strong if used correctly. It's not EASY to tackle but it is POSSIBLE.

Once you have it tackled, it still has options to try to neut you off, while applying damage with a flight of light drones or remove your scram with ECM drones.

Currently the Orthrus just scrams you at 35km and you can never tackle it with smaller ships that are designed for tackling things.

I've tackled a few ONIs in my time, but I've never successfully tackled an Orthrus without losing my ship.

Pilot error should be punished harder in those ships.

Orthrus with Keres, Hyena and Kitsune in the comp is pretty much unkillable.

Jams also need deleting from the game. There's no fun in being able to target nothing for 20 seconds at a time...

Nerf all light missile ships because you can't tackle an Orthurus in a frig?

No

Ok if for this nerf; but The Gila need a bit more agility.

From a newer player perspective trying to min-max my skillpoints (a joy soon I will no longer experience, since EVE will be "pay to SP"), I have the following comments:

EVE ship balancing is a huge mess for three reasons. Only the first point really applies to this thread, the other two are ranting.

(1) The races do not focus properly on 'their' weapon systems. This ties in to the NPE: without providing decent upgrade paths for new pilots it takes them much longer to be competitive. It also severely reduces the advantage of proper specialization. The biggest example of this at the moment is of how much minmatar dps is tied up in drones, but all races struggle with this.

Case in point: the punisher changes. You want a more powerful punisher? Well, scrap a high slot, move it to a low and give a massive laser damage bonus. Keep a utility high. Done.

(2) Link bonuses are too big. The problem is that EVE for a while now has been balanced with a quick fix left and right "around" over-bonused links.

(3) There is a chronic lack of dev resources with regards to balancing. All power-multipliers need to be properly examined and CCP needs to make up their minds about what elements interesting/fun pvp should contain. To create a better and somewhat less risk-averse pvp dynamic is not going to be achieved without a major effort both in terms of PR (getting your view across) and realization.

yaya orthrus/gila nerf,
just nerf evrything which is naturaly an okish allrounder for roaming and does not need a special fit to survive
the gazillions of frigs and t3/destroyers
to introduce more frigs into frig online, definiatly also the game needs more logis

really unclear for me, how you can invest the last years on rebalance the frigs over and over again
while evrything above cruiser is just dead

I hear this all the time, and it simply isn't true. Yet people cry about it loud enough and we end up where we are now. Missile damage is easily mitigated through speed and sig, and there is nothing the missile user can do about it. Once you reach certain speeds, you outrun missiles entirely.

Yesterday, I engaged two RLML Cerbs running FW missions in a Malediction. Of their potential 1238 Volley damage, each managed to apply only 180. Tackling one is incredibly easy, it wasn't until the second arrived to save his friend from a slow and humiliating death that things got dicey. Even then, I stuck around long enough for the first to reload which bought me an extra 35 seconds on field. With a Missile Disruptor, I doubt they'd have hit me at all.

This patch brings about double nerfs to some missile boats (and gives other hulls a huge boost via automatic qualification for Missile Disruptor bonuses), and while some may have needed refining (which is questionable to begin with) this isn't the way to do it.

Since when did one man and his blog dictate game balance? Developers are often accused of listening too much to the vocal minority, this is taking it to the nth degree.