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What myth...it is clearly in line with Malcanis' Law. This change will predominantly to the benefit of the older players. This is not good for new players, IMO.

no, i think we should make it harder and encourage illicit character trading.

(that's sarcasm, by the way)

Actually, there is a big difference between this and the character bazaar, source CCP Rise.

I'm mildly against this. Mainly because it sort of undermines the blood, sweat and tears that I've put in over the years. I'm unlikely to use this because as a rule I don't support this sort of excessive money grubbing.

That said, if this does come to pass CCP, please closely consider the numbers behind the diminishing returns part of this. There's already a diminishing returns mechanic that "punishes" vets...skill ranks. 50,000 SP may be a big chunk of a rank 1 or 2 skill, but is much less of a percentage of progress of higher rank skills. While a low SP character is getting a huge bang for their buck if they're training primarily low rank skills, an 80M+ SP toon probably has just about all of those low rank skills already trained. They'll want to be skilling much more expensive skills and 50K is a drop in the bucket on those. I can't imagine that you'd get too many high SP players spending money for the tiny gains they'd be getting. I certainly won't.

That's all. Cheers.

Okay Grandpa, can you tell us the story again about how you walked to school, in the snow, up hill...both ways?

You can be against this, but the "I put in my time, everyone else should too" makes you sound like an old fart complaining that people don't want to wait for things when they don't have too.

100+ page.
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Stop writing.
Go to dismantle the monument to the Amarr.

It's not anything for new players. Just another of the many, many things they won't have a clue about. It will not affect them in any way. Just because something is good for old players does not mean it's bad for new players. It just means it's good for old players.

And speaking of that. If it was actually good for old players, I have to wonder why there are so many vet tears in here.

People need to stop stating opinion as fact and speaking knowledgeably about a Dev-Blog they obviously haven't read past the title of (not directed at you). There are some well thought out opinions in here and some considered responses to them, but these are lost in the morass of raving fear mongering that takes up 90% of this thread.

The good thing is it's starting to settle down quicker than usual and we can start to have a civil discussion.

Mr Epeen

It isn't just mains, it is alts as well. Or re-arranging SP at the micro level. Suppose I have 2 cap alts who can fly the moros and revelation both at level 5 and I decide...screw it, I don't need an alt with 2 racial dreads...I'll keep the moros skill, dump the rev. So I buy the extractors, and then create 2 new character on free slots and pump in the SP and create a character that can fly iskprinter ishtars. Now I've taken 2 nearly fallow alt and created 2 that have improved my ISK stream. I know guys who have a few of these characters...they could park a small fleet of iskprinters in the anomalies. Or suppose I want to try my hand at trading. Now I could create trading alts and park them in different trade hubs.

Can a new player do these things? No. The bottom line is that older players will tend to have more flexibility than the newer players...that is an advantage.

I have not. Even though EVE back then was much tougher game then nowadays, we had fun. Imagine bunch of people mining in frigs for days for corps first cruiser, then mining for months to get a first BS. Starting trade with less than 5mil isk and making the first billion, months after.Boring? Not really, it was sh*tload of fun, experiencing new game totally different from all others, learning new things every day, working on improving both isk / sp / skills and trying to soak all the possible knowledge we could. Socializing with other players, making friendships which still last, years after it even if all of us do not play the game anymore. RL meetings of players from different countries with shared joy of playing in the same corp/alliance. Checking different aspects of the game. First alliance and access to 0.0 and rich ores. First BS which i could have afford months before i started flying it as i wanted to develop proper skills first. So many nice memories, I cant even remember the "hard, slow game" part. Actually first 3-4 years of eve were the best in my career.

With this knowledge/experience, if you ask me was it better that way or it would be better with easier start I would definitely choose the way I already did.

I am sure some will say that it was different as the most of players were starters, but keep in mind that there were plenty of people who had played beta and had quite big advantage over new players as they had knowledge what to do. They did not make mistakes like me putting too much attributes in charisma etc :P

One of the things was common for all the players who sticked to the game and made it what it is. Commitment and willingness to put time and efforts in it, no matter how hard it is. And I do think that is what made EVE to stick out from different games, toughness and need for elitist players, if you were not ready for it, you would not play it. So making it easier in my opinion is just plain wrong, it is not what people want from this game. At least the most of the people who are ready to commit seriously.

Over a 110 pages and you think it is settling down quicker than usual? *chuckles*

It is going the same way all threads usually go, you get the initial response from the majority of people, and then towards the middle you get more reasoned discussion on the merits and drawbacks of the idea, and then towards the end you get the same old faces endlessly discussing/trolling the same points over and over again with no one agreeing.

We are at the end stage now.