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[December] Navy EWar Frigates

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TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#61 - 2015-10-16 19:01:13 UTC
Ransu Asanari wrote:
I don't see why the Crucifier Navy Issue should have the Weapon Disruption Optimal/Falloff penalty. A normal Crucifier can already brawl in scram range:

[Crucifier, Crucifier - Laser Brawler]
Damage Control II
Heat Sink II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I

Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Optimal Range Disruption Script
Medium Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 50
Warp Scrambler II
5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive

Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Conflagration S
Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Conflagration S

Small Ancillary Current Router I
Small Energy Burst Aerator I
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I


I don't see a huge differentiation from the regular Crucifier in the current proposal, other than a damage bonus and forcing it at close range. I'm glad it's not going to become another Energy Neutralizer bonused ship, as the Sentinel fills that role very well.

Since the Navy Maulus and Griffin are forced into close range, and the Fleet Vigil will be an amazing kiter, why not let the Navy Crucifier be a similar kiter to the Navy Slicer, but with EWAR capability to compensate for the lack of optimal range bonus?


lol that fit, finally something a punisher or rifter can kill
Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
#62 - 2015-10-16 19:04:40 UTC
I like these new ships

EvE-Mail me if you need anything.
Gneeznow
Ship spinners inc
#63 - 2015-10-16 19:04:50 UTC
DAT MAULUS
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#64 - 2015-10-16 19:06:34 UTC
can you make the maulus dscan immune?

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value
Matt Faithbringer
YOLO so no taxes please
#65 - 2015-10-16 19:11:53 UTC
Bienator II wrote:
can you make the maulus dscan immune?


oh please yes
Ransu Asanari
Perkone
Caldari State
#66 - 2015-10-16 19:13:26 UTC
TrouserDeagle wrote:
lol that fit, finally something a punisher or rifter can kill


Didn't say I'd ever fly it :) Right now it makes more sense to put unbonused neuts, or Blasters/Railguns on the Crucifier since it has no damage bonus.
Lucy Alfrir
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#67 - 2015-10-16 19:14:17 UTC
Matt Faithbringer wrote:
Bienator II wrote:
can you make the maulus dscan immune?


oh please yes


Why just the maulus? If one, why not all.

I get that the scram strength and catching explorers is where you're heading, but the others would also benefit.
Nex Killer
Perkone
Caldari State
#68 - 2015-10-16 19:16:54 UTC
oooh can't wait looks like fun! :D
Swiftstrike1
Swiftstrike Incorporated
#69 - 2015-10-16 19:19:59 UTC
Brawling Griffin. I don't know what to think about this...

Casual Incursion runner & Faction Warfare grunt, ex-Wormholer, ex-Nullbear.
Lidia Caderu
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#70 - 2015-10-16 19:22:26 UTC
Maulus is like designed spesifically for camp. Too OP.
Templar Dane
Amarrian Vengeance
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#71 - 2015-10-16 19:23:42 UTC
Navy Crucifier is pretty weak compared to the others. The vigil and maulus excel at kiting and/or catching kiters. One uses missiles and the other drones, and they both have tackle bonuses.

The crucifier has to get close, because beams with no tracking and no range bonus are pretty terrible. It's behind in the drone department compared to all but the griffin, which exacerbates the problem. It doesn't have the tackle range to catch the others and doesn't have the reach to punish them at range.

It's ewar is also conditional. Webs and scrams are always good and most ships fit them. A TD isn't always needed or even good.

Web range + missiles + more drones on the vigil = kiting death

scram range + more drones on the maulus = super scram kiter

ecm > all ewar combined

10km TD (a conditional ewar) + no tracking/range on guns + sub-par drone bay = kited to death by the others



And to the people complaining about how 15km webs and scrams aren't very good....links. Links and shiny tackle.
Nephilim Xeno
Order of Garrulor
#72 - 2015-10-16 19:24:16 UTC
so why the **** does Amarr get the by far worst of all ewar frigs? all this frigs apart from the crucifier seem to be very OP and amarr militia already have the BY FAR worst LP store of all militias and now we get another useless damn ship no one will use ? how about you rebalance the damn LP stores already? how about you remove cap requirement for all guns on ships they were designed to be used on ? how about you remove this stupid tag requirements for most LP store items or at least change them so the tags you need actually also drop the rats in the plexes?
Templar Dane
Amarrian Vengeance
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#73 - 2015-10-16 19:28:38 UTC
TrouserDeagle wrote:
Ransu Asanari wrote:
I don't see why the Crucifier Navy Issue should have the Weapon Disruption Optimal/Falloff penalty. A normal Crucifier can already brawl in scram range:

[Crucifier, Crucifier - Laser Brawler]
Damage Control II
Heat Sink II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I

Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Optimal Range Disruption Script
Medium Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 50
Warp Scrambler II
5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive

Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Conflagration S
Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Conflagration S

Small Ancillary Current Router I
Small Energy Burst Aerator I
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I


I don't see a huge differentiation from the regular Crucifier in the current proposal, other than a damage bonus and forcing it at close range. I'm glad it's not going to become another Energy Neutralizer bonused ship, as the Sentinel fills that role very well.

Since the Navy Maulus and Griffin are forced into close range, and the Fleet Vigil will be an amazing kiter, why not let the Navy Crucifier be a similar kiter to the Navy Slicer, but with EWAR capability to compensate for the lack of optimal range bonus?


lol that fit, finally something a punisher or rifter can kill


I use a similar fit. Those squishy kiting frigates get erections when they see a supposedly easy ewar frigate kill. Though mine eschews the ewar altogether and fits an extender as well as an ASB.
Danmal
TYR.
Exodus.
#74 - 2015-10-16 19:52:40 UTC
Assault frigates. GOOD GOD THINK OF THE ASSAULT FRIGATES.

New T1 frigs are interesting for newbros, of which you urgently need to get a lot to subscribe to make up for likely recent losses in the subscriber base (judging by the ACU). But from a balance point of view, there would be more urgent issues than the tireless introduction of new ship classes.
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#75 - 2015-10-16 19:55:15 UTC
Looks fun for solo, for the other side probably not so much ...

I'm my own NPC alt.
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#76 - 2015-10-16 19:57:04 UTC
Danmal wrote:
Assault frigates. GOOD GOD THINK OF THE ASSAULT FRIGATES.

New T1 frigs are interesting for newbros, of which you urgently need to get a lot to subscribe to make up for likely recent losses in the subscriber base (judging by the ACU). But from a balance point of view, there would be more urgent issues than the tireless introduction of new ship classes.


very much so .. things like T3 cruisers and dessies need the attention too fix them instead

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
Arla Sarain
#77 - 2015-10-16 19:58:51 UTC
Cool, vanilla frigs obsolete.

More stuff for the rifter and punisher to die too :D
Gremk
The Terrifying League Of Dog Fort
Deepwater Hooligans
#78 - 2015-10-16 19:59:42 UTC
The Griffin Navy Issue will not get fights ever. EWAR is already stupid currently, then add it to a brawling blaster boat... Not really sure what other bonus you can give it other than reworking ECM currently into something that isn't pure ****.
Flyinghotpocket
Small Focused Memes
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#79 - 2015-10-16 20:01:37 UTC
Swiftstrike1 wrote:
Brawling Griffin. I don't know what to think about this...

https://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=17869473

think about it. it has been done to death.

Amarr Militia Representative - A jar of nitro
Lucy Alfrir
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#80 - 2015-10-16 20:03:14 UTC
Nephilim Xeno wrote:
so why the **** does Amarr get the by far worst of all ewar frigs? ?


Scorch OP, Amarr victor.

Just even's up the field a little if their ewar is weakest.