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Exciting changes!

My two biggest critiques:

• This change wont be enough to topple the Orthus (it's still got far, far too much fitting, speed and control) but it's nice that it wont be quite so effective at killing tackle, allowing an opportunity for heavier tackle to land.


• The Garmur is, if anything, better then Orthrus and in many ways obsoletes interceptors. Shocked to see it wasn't at all touched in this pass.

I think there is also a general problem of ships being too fast but that's a bigger issue then a cleanup balance patch.

I still think Navy Osprey should be/have been a hybrid platform. Different combat styles are all well and good, but right now the navy ship lineup for Caldari very poorly reflects the fact that Caldari use Missiles AND hybrids.

Also, regarding the Punisher.
Ships straight up need 3 mids. That's just how the game is built, you have to hjave a prop mod and a web to have any chance at controlling range, and you have to have a scram or a point to actually get a kill. That's three modules required by design to be successful, so any ship with less than that automatically fails.

Minus one low slot on the Gila is pretty savage when the ship is passive tanked for PVE. I can certainly see the point For PVP, there it is more balanced as a change.

Could you please have a look to see if there is an alternative that doesn't make it a poor choice for PVE, particuarly solo C3 running, as that is not going to be practical any more, either insufficient tank, or unable to break the sleepers in a reasonable time, remember we are never more than moments away from 6 cloaky proteus. We already need to refit with a depot, to do them well, with a low slot less, there is nothing to work with.

Would losing a missile launcher, and giving the new caldari missile damage types, be a better alternative?

looks nice...would love to see the 25/20 bonus applied to other damage "locked" ships though as well.

I do have some concerns about how the gila nerf will impact PvE in wormholes.

I feel like the gila was in a good spot as a low sp alternative rather than a rattlesnake or a other faction battleships or other ships for PvE vs sleepers.

I hope that the gila will still be able to run c3 sites well in particular with t2/meta modules.

Orthrus, worms and gilas ...

Really, why nerf OP ships instead of buffing other pirate faction ships that are underpowered (Cruor, Cynabal, ...). These babies are worth 10 - 15 times their T1 counterparts, so they should be overpowered, that's a trade the pilot is willing to make, pumping more money into them for having a dominatig ship on the field, at the risk of losing a lot of money of it blows up.

Regarding worms and gilas, I also wonder why they end up with less total slots than the T2 counterparts (Ishkur, Ishtar) or other pirate ships of the same tier (7 slots for frigs, 10 for cruisers, here they'll be stuck at 6 and 9).

I really think - 20 CPU or - 1 LS was already a huge nerf, both will kill the ships.

In the same time, Barghest buff on a ship that already is absolutely OP. Go figure ...

Can I have my skill points back, which I invested in Gila / Orthurus ?

Gila was an exellent PvE ship !

Why the hell are u ruining ppls game ??? I makes sense to me, if you are changing the ships make a refund for those ships, for those skills !!!

As someone completly unrelated to pvp, is worm still gonna be a decent ship after nerf? I love it aestheticaly speaking, wanted to try it out in the future, thx.

If they do that skillpoint proposal, YES.

ty Fozzie, nice stuff.