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Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#61 - 2015-10-01 23:50:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
I wish to nominate for a position on the focus group and provide the following support for my application.

Communicate Effectively:

  • 6098 posts currently in the forums and comfortable working in a text based environment for communication
  • Active on /r/eve, twitter, tweetfleet slack, Likes and Get Likes slack, End of Life Alliance slack and here at Eve-O on a daily basis
  • Member of a number of existing Slack, Confluence and Sharepoint groups for collaboration purposes
  • RL: Leader of 12 international staff collaborating across locations in Australia, Europe, Asia and North America


Provide reasoned and calm feedback

  • Here on the forum I have a long history of providing evidence based comment rather than wild speculation
  • -- recent example 1
    -- recent example 2
    -- recent example 3
  • I generally avoid emotional responses myself, but recognise that people become heavily invested in what they do and can be emotional at times. I don't see other people's strong views or emotions as a threat or become upset when people disagree with my opinions
  • While I have my views and can express them with reason, I am very open to adjusting them when others make solid and reasonable counter points or corrections.
  • I have a strong view that effective collaboration involves respecting others, an open mind, patience, flexibility and shared interests.


Significant experience flying T3D

  • As a lowsec/nullsec small gang and solo pvper, I have actively pvp'd with and against T3D since their initial release
  • Have fought against T3Ds in hulls including T1 frigates, Assault Frigates, Faction Frigates, Interceptors, Electronic Attack Frigates, T1 Destroyers, T3D, T1 Cruisers, Faction Cruisers, T2 Cruisers and Battleships
  • Small gang FC in lowsec and nullsec and have FC'd T3D doctrines as well as fought against them in fleets
  • Use T3D with and without links support daily (see Lesovyk Mara eveboard below for evidence of links capabilities)


Strong knowledge of EVE gameplay, fittings and balance

  • End of Life theory crafter (1 of 3) for AT XIII (top 16 placing)
  • Play daily across 3 accounts involving pvp, industry, hauling, anomoly ratting, exploration, PI and market trading
  • -- Scipio Artelius
    -- Violet Crumble
    -- Lesovyk Mara (pw: q1w2e3r4)
  • Actively involved in pvp in lowsec, nullsec and wormhole operations
  • As a theory crafter, FC and doctrine setter for Corp and Alliance, I am involved daily in leading and creating content for others, evaluating and providing advice on fittings, providing advice on strategies and tactics for pvp to other members and in evaluating ship balance in deciding on official doctrines


I firmly believe that I am the right person for a spot on this first focus group and if selected, will apply my RL skills in collaboration, communication, providing evidence-based input and knowledge of Eve to help the group to be an effective resource for CCP.
Orca Platypus
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#62 - 2015-10-02 00:30:28 UTC
Been looking for a reason to recommend denying focus group membership to gewns. Found this:
Namamai wrote:
I'm down, despite the fact that I want to burn all T3Ds in a fire :)

Caleb Seremshur
Mortis Angelus
The morgue.
#63 - 2015-10-02 00:32:26 UTC
So why introduce a focus group now? ← not an unreasonable question.

JevinsCherries Akiga
Schneckt
#64 - 2015-10-02 00:53:36 UTC
I'd like to throw my hat in the ring as well for this group.

I FC for a corp of relatively new PvPers in Gallente FW and we regularly field T3Ds and ships of comparable size/cost. I've had experience working with all 4 T3Ds in solo and small gangs in a variety of fittings.

I have been flying as a solo pilot in lowsec for about 2 years now and have witnessed metagame shifts first hand as many have. As many solo pilots, I face outnumbered and outgunned fights every day and I absolutely love finding ways to beat the meta without joining it. In regards to the T3D discussion, I recently began flying T1 battlecruisers solo as they sit at a comparable price point to the T3Ds and are extremely effective in countering the strengths of the T3Ds.

I have seen the impact of these ships on the new player experience and their dominating effect against new players looking to move past T1 frigates and make their way into Small Plexing. These ships are dominating the current meta and have had suffocating results inside of Small Complexes.

I would love to be able to bring my viewpoint of the subject to the table in a rational, intelligent discussion with some of EvE's best and brightest to help this silly space game we play grow and flourish.

I have access to Slack for the discussion and would very much like to take part.


Fly Dangerous o7
Neesa Corrinne
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#65 - 2015-10-02 01:06:13 UTC
Petrified wrote:
I am of the opinion that the T3 Destroyers should certainly be better than T2 Frigates - but not better than T2 Cruisers.
In general I've always seen the Destroyer as a frigate killer, so the T3 version being able to take on T2 AFs should be kept in mind.

In scenarios where pilots are of equal skill, the T3 should be able to defeat the AF.
In scenarios where pilots are of equal skill, the T2 Cruiser should pummel the T3 Destroyer.

That is my opinion. The question is: what was CCP's expectation for T3 Destroyer performance - especially in relation to the performance against other ships?


I feel almost as if CCP's impetus for new ships in the game is "This would be cool!", except that many times "cool" doesn't fill any ship requirement that hasn't already been filled. Sure, T3D's are cool. They transform from tank to DPS monster to nimble acrobat with only a few short seconds of downtime between modes.

The problem with T3's, both cruisers and destroyers, is that they completely invalidate most other ships in their range and class. Only the highly specialized ships such as EAF's and interceptors remain useful to anyone with a bulging wallet. With T3 Cruisers even that isn't the case as I'd rather have a web Loki or a neuting Legion over a Rapier or Curse any day.

The objective of the balancing passes with both the T3D's and T3 cruisers should be to give them a niche where they perform well without relegating all other ships in their class to poorbads. Not sure how to do that with the cruisers since we've made them highly configurable and able to do everyone else's job.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#66 - 2015-10-02 01:15:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
So why introduce a focus group now? ← not an unreasonable question.


It's a new initiative that was discussed briefly in the recent CSM minutes, proposed initially by Sion I think as a way to better utilise what the CSM can do and provide a way to include greater expertise in some discussions, especially where the CSM doesn't have that expertise but is limited in what they can do because of NDA:

http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/csm/Meetings/summit/CSM10-S1-D2.pdf
Leonardo Adami
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#67 - 2015-10-02 01:21:18 UTC
Cool idea, glad to know we have a t3d nerf pending.
Admiral Autumn Aulx-Gao
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#68 - 2015-10-02 01:40:35 UTC
Howdy there CCP, I'd like to apply for this group as I believe that I could relay some feedback to you all about Tactical Destroyers.

I have flown them rather extensively, in a wide variety of scenarios, including:

- Wormholes (for both PvP & PvE)
- General Low sec PvP in form of Small Fleets/Gangs & Solo
- SOV Null Sec, PvP in form of Large fleets & small Gangs
- Faction Warfare LS, PvP in forms of both Solo & Small Gangs

I almost exclusively fly the Confessor though, as it's my favorite, but I do have experience w/ the others. I hope you all select me, so that we can work together to help solve any problems that T3Ds have created :) Thank you
Torei Dutalis
IceBox Inc.
Rogue Caldari Union
#69 - 2015-10-02 01:43:56 UTC
I would more than love to participate in such a focus group as balance related issues are something that I discuss on a daily basis.

While perhaps not as prolific as many of the persons in the release threads for the t3ds, I have posted in all of them to one extent or another. I have flown all of them, although with a heavy focus on the Confessor and the Hecate. I also fly almost exclusively in FW space and as such have a strong grasp of the meta that surrounds these ships and not simply the hulls themselves.

I discuss my opinions on balance with my corpmates on a daily basis (perhaps much to their annoyance) so these issues are never far from my mind. I have also spent probably hundreds of hours efting these four ships in specific from basic fits to extreme fits that should probably never see the light of day. While I would consider myself a competent PvPer on Tranquility, I definitely believe that my theoretical skills far surpass my practical skills, surely a boon when it comes to discussing balance. While unrelated to t3ds in specific, I believe that this expertise in fitting led me to my recent victory in the Oceanic Assault Tournament.

I also use the slack messenger app on a daily basis to communicate with my corporation so there would be no question that I would be a very active and able member of such a discussion group were I to be selected.
General Vachot
The Vendunari
End of Life
#70 - 2015-10-02 02:16:38 UTC  |  Edited by: General Vachot
I would be very interested in being part of this focus group. My corp and alliance use T3 Dessies regularly so we know the pro's and cons in fighting with and against them.

They are extremely fun even if over popular at the moment. Definitely have some constructive feedback to give on how to address the following;

1) Insta warping due to mode change
2) AF's seemingly losing their way
3) Cost
4) Skills

I think there can definitely be some amount of re-balance that does not nerf Tac des or take the fun away from flying them.

A quick example of some of my thinking for consideration in the group.

Why not look at changing AF's instead of doing too much to Tac dessy (with exception of insta warp and perhaps a few small stats changes to svipul - mainly sig increase). Because just bringing tac dessy back towards AF's is not a good solution you need to bring AF's a little towards tac dessy.

Pulling up AF's

1) Reduce build cost on AF's a bit so they are an even cheaper option but still more costly when compared to T1 frig or T1 dessy.

OR (note it says OR)

2) Add a switching mode to AF's - so it has 2 modes not 3 like a tac dessy. One speed and one tank mode allowing AF's some more flexibility in doing their primary job - robust hard tackle with decent DPS application. Also allows them to still be viable as solo PVP options.


Pushing Tac des down
1) Add skill required for switching mode - each level reduces the switching mode time by x % so that there is another investment hurdle for max switch mode speed

OR if barriers are not the current way of thinking

Look at increasing the switching mode time form 10 sec to say 12 sec and see how that goes.
Add a gate timer to switch mode ability of say cloak timer plus 3 sec so that you cannot insta warp by mod switching
Add a little sig radius to svipul and see how that goes

Don't muck about with any other features on Tac dessies they are pretty ok.
Rowells
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#71 - 2015-10-02 02:50:32 UTC
Is there going to be a devblog on this, or some place we can discuss it? It's really interesting and I would love to see what directions it could go or if there are other plans for it.
Bloodmyst Ranwar
Leviathan Rising
Fortis Et Certus
#72 - 2015-10-02 03:38:20 UTC
I would very much appreciate being accepted into this focus group.

I am primarily from a Solo PvP background for the past 3 yeras now. As many would understand in similar backgrounds, you not only study what you fly, but also what others are flying. This includes fighting in all types of secuirty space, wormholes, nullsec, low and high.

There are quiet a number of tweaks, nerfs, buffs that I believe all four destroyers need and would love to hear what others have to say about them.

First and foremost, the T3D's are a great addition to the game. So kudos to you CCP Big smile
Zanthar Eos
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#73 - 2015-10-02 03:58:52 UTC
I'll through my hat into the ring. Long time pvper and all that
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#74 - 2015-10-02 04:37:59 UTC
I while I don't chose to actively fly them I do understand t3d capabilities and their impact on the wider balance of the ships around them. I have a fairly extensive posting history and the ability to listen. When it comes to fitting ships I have a somewhat unique reputation for getting ships to do what many would think impossible.
Silverbackyererse
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#75 - 2015-10-02 04:47:27 UTC
I'd like to be part of the focus group to play devils advocate to anyone who wants to change them in any way, shape or form.

Boki
Contra Ratio
GameTheory
#76 - 2015-10-02 04:52:37 UTC
Boki's Application to T3D Focus Group

Pilot's Name: Boki
Alias: Defiant Blessings
Eve Specialties: Business / Small Gang PVP / General Tactic & Strategy
Age in Eve Universe: 12 years off and on
Eve Related Projects:
- Eve Business Insider
- Character Bazaar Broker & Appraiser
- Alliance Exec & Small Gang FC

During my time in Eve, I have seen many different metas and transformations of the game. Many balance patches, the ebb and flow of pilots into the universe, and the rise and fall of many empires. I have always been an effective communicator, I have always ran my own corp / alliance / organizations in Eve, and I have always encouraged other players to recognize trends and adapt to them through the use of somewhat high-level theorycraft and conceptual understanding of game mechanics.

The conception of T3Ds has created a recent trend not unlike that seen by the first-pass T1 Cruiser changes from so many seasons ago, and I feel I would have a unique opinion to add to the discussion as to how this latest trend has affected the rest of the universe.

It is my personal belief that certain T3Ds are not in precise balance with others, and that nature of imbalance has largely to do with the current meta and trends in the size and scope of combat these ships were meant for. However it is also my belief that T3Ds offer a unique positional advantage to many small groups mainly through the versatility of the ship. I love to fly all 4 races, and I have dedicated myself to increasing my mechanical ability in this ship, something that Eve rarely offers the chance to do anymore.

I respect them for what they have brought to the game, I fear them on the battlefield, and I have some good ideas for how they can be made to fit more seamlessly into the universe.

Please accept this application to take part in the T3D Focus Group!

Sincerely,
-Defiant Blessings / General Boki of the Adaptation Armada. Twisted
Seliah
V0LTA
WE FORM V0LTA
#77 - 2015-10-02 07:03:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Seliah
Hello,

First of all, I'm very glad you guys are moving forward so quickly with the Focus Groups idea. I'm sure it'll be very productive.

I'd like to submit an application to this focus group. T3Ds are a very interesting and dynamic ship class, bringing many new concepts and game mechanics, but I think there is still room for improvement and balancing, and I'd love to be a part of such discussions.

I've been playing EVE almost 9 years now, and PVP has been my primary activity - along with some ISK making stuff. I've spent most of the last 2 years solo'ing / in small gangs in lowsec FW space, where T3Ds occupy a prominent place. I've flown them and I've fought them, enough to build my own opinion about these ships and detect what's good and less good about them.

In addition to my pvp experience, with T3Ds and in general, I believe I can bring constructive arguments to a discussion - I'm always up for a good debate, and am open to new and different ideas.

Looking forward to either participating in this focus group, or reading what comes out of it !

o>

Sel.
Davis TetrisKing
The Vendunari
End of Life
#78 - 2015-10-02 07:12:19 UTC
Hi, my name's Davis

(low scattered mumbles from the group )*hi Davis*

It's been just over 12 hours since I last flew a T3D. *tentative applause* I've been trying to be strong, but I just can't seem to give them the kick. Almost all my kills the last week have been in a confessor. It's just too strong and cheap, It's really starting to cut into my other ship classes, I've barely been able to sit a cruiser for over a month and I just cant bring myself to get into frigates anymore. I think my corpmates are starting to notice. My participation has been up, but I just haven't been filling other roles lately, you know?

Just last week FC called for an armor cruiser fleet and I couldn't help asking "do we need a prober? heavy tackle? kitey damage? all of the above?". (from the back of the audience) *we've all been there man* The FC even took pity on my and let me come along.

A few of the other guys have started to fly them too. We've been sneaking out in small gangs and shooting up pretty much anything we can find. Even if we go down, the insurance is practically a scam and we can't help getting into a new one straight away to keep going.

I need help guys, I've tried to kick the habit on my own but they just *so good*....


(the group leader speaks up) *thanks for sharing Davis*
Davis TetrisKing
The Vendunari
End of Life
#79 - 2015-10-02 07:15:06 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
I wish to nominate for a position on the focus group and provide the following support for my application.

Communicate Effectively:

  • 6098 posts currently in the forums and comfortable working in a text based environment for communication
  • Active on /r/eve, twitter, tweetfleet slack, Likes and Get Likes slack, End of Life Alliance slack and here at Eve-O on a daily basis
  • Member of a number of existing Slack, Confluence and Sharepoint groups for collaboration purposes
  • RL: Leader of 12 international staff collaborating across locations in Australia, Europe, Asia and North America


Provide reasoned and calm feedback

  • Here on the forum I have a long history of providing evidence based comment rather than wild speculation
  • -- recent example 1
    -- recent example 2
    -- recent example 3
  • I generally avoid emotional responses myself, but recognise that people become heavily invested in what they do and can be emotional at times. I don't see other people's strong views or emotions as a threat or become upset when people disagree with my opinions
  • While I have my views and can express them with reason, I am very open to adjusting them when others make solid and reasonable counter points or corrections.
  • I have a strong view that effective collaboration involves respecting others, an open mind, patience, flexibility and shared interests.


Significant experience flying T3D

  • As a lowsec/nullsec small gang and solo pvper, I have actively pvp'd with and against T3D since their initial release
  • Have fought against T3Ds in hulls including T1 frigates, Assault Frigates, Faction Frigates, Interceptors, Electronic Attack Frigates, T1 Destroyers, T3D, T1 Cruisers, Faction Cruisers, T2 Cruisers and Battleships
  • Small gang FC in lowsec and nullsec and have FC'd T3D doctrines as well as fought against them in fleets
  • Use T3D with and without links support daily (see Lesovyk Mara eveboard below for evidence of links capabilities)


Strong knowledge of EVE gameplay, fittings and balance

  • End of Life theory crafter (1 of 3) for AT XIII (top 16 placing)
  • Play daily across 3 accounts involving pvp, industry, hauling, anomoly ratting, exploration, PI and market trading
  • -- Scipio Artelius
    -- Violet Crumble
    -- Lesovyk Mara (pw: q1w2e3r4)
  • Actively involved in pvp in lowsec, nullsec and wormhole operations
  • As a theory crafter, FC and doctrine setter for Corp and Alliance, I am involved daily in leading and creating content for others, evaluating and providing advice on fittings, providing advice on strategies and tactics for pvp to other members and in evaluating ship balance in deciding on official doctrines


I firmly believe that I am the right person for a spot on this first focus group and if selected, will apply my RL skills in collaboration, communication, providing evidence-based input and knowledge of Eve to help the group to be an effective resource for CCP.


+1 for Scip, he does good work, and a hell of a lot of it too.
Kasia en Tilavine
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#80 - 2015-10-02 08:58:09 UTC
Not putting an application in myself, but rather pointing a recommendation at Suitonia. What these focus groups need are tourney players, they dig deep into the meta to maximize potential. This focus group also needs new player help and content guide creators, people who know how important K.I.S.S. is (keep it simple stupid) . It also needs calm rational people good at speaking. There are very few candidates suited better than Suitonia.

Just one question. If this focus group thing goes well, will CCP consider doing focus group work with other aspects of the game? Ships, modules, game content, etc...

I think this kind of format is exactly what is needed. The F&I section can get a bit volitatile and toxic when weeks go by without responses from devs on what are perceived to be important points and ideas. As well, F&I can fill with hundreds of useless bittervet posts. A filtered focus group is perfect. Useful opinions from a wide area of game experience, and a set time where dev feedback will be present and engagable.

More than +1 for this. An idea this great surely came from a brainstorming session with CCP leggybro and CCP chair.