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FACTION STANDING REPAIR PLAN ('The Plan')

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Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
#341 - 2015-09-05 11:15:00 UTC
I just did my first epic arc (penumbra). It was fun so I've decided to do them all. Problem is I messed up my standings with galls and matars when I was noob.

My current standings are:

caldari 5,71 (4,90)
amarr 4,55 (3,52)
gallente 1,59 (-0,02)
minmatar 0,85 (-0,89)

social skills levels:

connections IV
diplomacy IV
distribution connections IV
security connections IV
social IV

I did all carrer agents for all 4 factions, circle agents for caldari, amarr and most of data centers for caldari, amarr and gallente.
So few questions:
1) What to do first? Boost my amarr standing via cosmos missions and do epic arc for amarr to level up standing more. Then do circle agents, data centers and cosmos missions for matars, but keep up 5.0 with amarr (for epic arc)?
2) How much matar cosmos missions will reduce standing with amarr?
3) Can I do cosmos missions in T3 (any warp gates that would not let me in)?
4) Any standing reduction in amarr epic arc (for other factions ofc)?

"I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas..." - Herman Melville

DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#342 - 2015-09-05 12:10:48 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
Hello Jeremiah Saken,

Thanks for posting. I'll try to help as best as I can.

First thing to do is train level 5 in Connections and Social. The skill Connections will raise your current positive standings and Social will increase the amount of standing gained for completing missions.

Since you already have positive standing with the 4 main Empire Factions, all you really need to access the Epic Arcs is +5.00 standing with the Corporation of the starter Agents.

https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Epic_mission_arcs

I suggest running regular level 3 missions for Impetus (Gallente) and Brutor Tribe (Minmatar) to gain access to their Epic Arcs. Decline the Storyline mission offers so you won't diminish your Amarr and Caldari standings. Also don't forget to decline all Anti-Empire encounter missions

You can also run the level 1 SoE Epic Arc and choose one of the four main Factions for completion. In this case I suggest Minmatar since they're the lowest. Also all of the Epic Arcs can be redone every 90 days. There's a few missions that incur negative standings for ship kill but the amount is very small.

Once you have access to all of the Epic Arcs, it will be much easier to maintain Amarr and Caldari Faction standing while increasing Gallente and Minmatar Faction standing.

I use Mission Reports as a guide for the Epic Arcs. Be sure to read the comments section at the bottom of each mission page.

http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=MissionReportsEpicArc

Hope this helps to get you started, if you have any more questions please feel free to ask.



DMC
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
#343 - 2015-09-07 11:34:00 UTC
Anyone happen to know off hand if D3s are restricted from L1s? Feeling like getting started on clawing back some Minmatar standings this week and didn't know if a Jackdaw can be used or if I'm gonna run into gate troubles. It's either that or I dust off my old Hawk. Haven't been in that ship in ages it seems.

"Tomahawks?"

"----in' A, right?"

"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."

"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."

DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#344 - 2015-09-07 11:45:08 UTC
Since it's Destroyer class hull I don't see any reason why they couldn't be used.

Course if in doubt, the mission briefing should say if they're allowed or not allowed to access the mission site.



DMC
Market McSelling Alt
Doomheim
#345 - 2015-09-07 12:44:03 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Since it's Destroyer class hull I don't see any reason why they couldn't be used.

Course if in doubt, the mission briefing should say if they're allowed or not allowed to access the mission site.



DMC



Don't forget that Strategic Cruisers are not allowed in certain DED sites even though Cruiser hulls (HAC, RECON) are.

CCP does some dumb things some times with communications.

CCP Quant: Of all those who logon in Eve, 1.5% do Incursions, 13.8% PVP and 19.2% run Missions while 22.4% mine.

40.7% Join a fleet. The idea that Eve is a PVP game is false, the social fabric is in Missions and Mining.

Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
#346 - 2015-09-07 16:28:29 UTC
Market McSelling Alt wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Since it's Destroyer class hull I don't see any reason why they couldn't be used.

Course if in doubt, the mission briefing should say if they're allowed or not allowed to access the mission site.



DMC



Don't forget that Strategic Cruisers are not allowed in certain DED sites even though Cruiser hulls (HAC, RECON) are.

CCP does some dumb things some times with communications.


Yup, that's why I asked. I'll bring both just in case; I keep forgetting that I still have a Bowhead for some dumb reason.

"Tomahawks?"

"----in' A, right?"

"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."

"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."

DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#347 - 2015-09-07 17:04:55 UTC
Well, the mission briefing should list all ship classes that can access the mission site.

Worst case scenario, you won't be able to use a Tech 3 Destroyer and will have to use Tech 2 instead.

Anyway, thanks for posting. May you have much success repairing your Faction standings.



DMC


Sentenced 1989
#348 - 2015-09-08 08:04:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Sentenced 1989
I did the whole SoE arc with this

[Jackdaw, SoE]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Domination EM Ward Amplifier
Small Shield Booster II
Coreli A-Type 5MN Microwarpdrive
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script
Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Precision Script
Relic Analyzer II

Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
Auto Targeting System I

Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Small Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Small Low Friction Nozzle Joints II


This ship will do any mission in the arc without needs to refit and all the gates will let you through

You can do with T2 mids and T1 rigs without issues as well, I just wanted something to be stable while running MWD and opted for T2 rigs since they aren't that much more ISK. If you opt for T2 mids, you might run in some cap issues where you can replace nozzles for CPU rig. Nozzles are kinda useless if you travel in propulsion mode since you have 2 seconds align anyways. I use them because I kept this thing in sharpshooter mode in systems, and propulsion mode when traveling between systems.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#349 - 2015-09-10 03:32:43 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
Sentenced 1989,

Thanks for posting.

Always good to get helpful knowledge posted in this thread.



DMC
Turgon Erazmus
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Pandemic Legion
#350 - 2015-09-17 03:02:54 UTC
Hey, I'm not working the plan to repair anything in particular, but to make a gal trader

I started off as the plan said but have not alternated from minny to gal yet, I did the career, circle, data, and cosmos and am up to 7.84 minny and 7.05 gal

Now my understanding is that if I ran the minny epic arc it would really do nothing for me, is that correct? at least in regards to gal standings...


Also I know that derived standings go up to 8..,. so do you have any idea, even an estimation on how advantageous it would be for me to run minny missions now till my gal standings hit 8

Then moving to gal space and starting... career, circle, data etc etc as well as both gal and soe epics arcs

basically I wanna get as close to 10 as possible...

Thanks :)
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#351 - 2015-09-17 06:39:14 UTC
Ahhh, so you're working 'The Plan' to boost positive standings for a Trade character, good idea.

Yeah, that's correct, no derived standings for completing the Epic Arcs. Now if you've already completed all of the Minmatar Event Agents, then I suggest jumping over to Gallente and start doing their Event Agents.

The reason I say that is because it will take quite a bit of time grinding regular missions just to get a Storyline offer. Also you might have to decline the Storyline offer which will make it even longer to gain Faction and derived standing increase.

Just remember that the low level Gallente Event Agents won't show very much increase due to you already having high standings but still every little bit helps.

After completing the Gallente Event Agents, run the level 4 Minmatar and Gallente Epic Arcs every 3 months to continue raising standings and use the level 1 SoE Epic Arc to help increase / balance those standings.

Good luck to you and thanks for posting.



DMC
Turgon Erazmus
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Pandemic Legion
#352 - 2015-09-17 16:05:52 UTC
Ok, I'll switch over now... when all is said and done I'll post what standings I end up with

I know when I did it with my jita trader I ended up 9+ unmodified it'll be interesting what I end up with a gal trader

What worries me with gal is the apparent lack of cosmo content... I havent done an exhaustive search for a definitive list yet but at a glance it seems to be the faction with the least cosmos.

I've been tossing around the idea when I'm done just to take a char and run all 4 sets of cosmos and make a guide for all highsec cosmos for all 4 factions since it seems like everything out here has broken links and is hard to follow these days... I know most were done back when eve was newish, and that most ppl would say eve is dieing so no need for a guide but I personally think eve will be around for awhile yet.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#353 - 2015-09-17 19:32:01 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
Well, the high sec Cosmos Agents were documented quite a while ago and CCP hasn't really done much to them so those guides are still viable.

Probably the most comprehensive one available at this time is this one written in German which requires the use of a translator app.

Also the EVE Special Agents Toolkit is another app listing mission info.

Then there's the old Gallente and Minmatar Cosmos Guide which is closed out but with the help of the 'Wayback Machine' you can still view the text.

Last is the Gallente Cosmos Guide listed in Evelopedia, however that doesn't offer much info, just a list of the Agents, location and mission names. It really should be updated with more info like the Evelopedia Amarr Cosmos Guide.

Anyway, I suggest checking them all out and do a Google search for more info.

Good luck.


DMC
Turgon Erazmus
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Pandemic Legion
#354 - 2015-09-17 21:40:01 UTC
the german one is a good site, I always dismissed it cause I saw it was german but with translator its fine, hell even without it at least it gives a good list of every agent


have you ever done the low sec minny ones? any idea if they are as horrendously camped as the caldari? I'm skipping them but it would be nice to know if t hey were easy or not for future reference.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#355 - 2015-09-17 23:32:39 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
I've completed all of the 'Recruiter' Agents in low sec at 'Fort Kumar' and 'The Alliance Barracks'. Their Level 4 mission is called 'Proving Your Mettle'. Basically you have to collect 'Certificates' and destroy a bunch of drones in a Training Center located in their system. I started with a cloaked T3 Cruiser and finished with a cloaked Force Recon Cruiser to use Combat Drones. Make sure you take out the EWAR / web-scram drones asap. I had Safe Spots set up and watched D-scan for other players. If local is busy, go do something else and be sure to check back at different time slots for an open window to complete the missions.

Amarr Military Training Facility

Minmatar Military Training Complex - 2nd room

The level 3 low sec Empire Cosmos Agents don't give any Faction standing increase.

The only two Empire Cosmos Agents I haven't completed yet is Ison Tiadala - Warlord (Minmatar) and Minas Iksan - Central Control Tower (Amarr). They each offer a 10 part mission series against their enemy Factions which require destroying a lot of Empire NPC's. I decided I would do them later due to no BPC's as reward plus I'd like to build up more standings to act as a buffer. I'll probably run them both at the same time so as to maintain access to both Agents. I consider those two Agents as the End Game for the Empire Cosmos Agents.

My next goal is to complete the Guristas and Angel Cosmos Agents followed by the Thukker Tribe Cosmos Agents. Will definitely need a large buffer on the Empire Faction standings for that. Last I plan to work on the Null Sec Cosmos Agents.


DMC
Turgon Erazmus
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Pandemic Legion
#356 - 2015-09-17 23:41:36 UTC
cool, thanks for the information

I plan on making a trading website eventually and probably will reference some aspects of what Ive learned from this thread about increasing standings, I'll give you and 'the plan' credit of course :)
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#357 - 2015-09-18 00:06:00 UTC
Excellent and thanks.

Don't forget to post an update of your stats afterwards.

Good luck and much success to you.



DMC
Turgon Erazmus
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Pandemic Legion
#358 - 2015-09-19 07:28:54 UTC
Well I decided to go into lowsec and mess with those before I flip to gall so for your reference with good social skills you can go from neutral to 8.41 Minny and 7.9 Gal... unmodified of course

Now having said that I did make 1 single mistake in that I also turned in 1 gall standings cosmos while I was in that lowsec system, the proving your mettle one

I also did the Ison Tiadala mission we were talking about and let me just say be sure to have a nice buffer as it hit my caldari standings pretty hard on my main combat char... I was however able to get through all that series with a tengu, though it took a bit of time.

another thing to keep in mind, that brought my modified minny standings up enough to turn in the first cosmos that get you BPCs, Mutama Czeik in Barkirk, my m odified after that was still only 8.72 so I stopped with Mutama, so I suppose if I was really anal about it I could grind missions till 9.6 or whatever it is and turn in Thoras tags and then to 9.9 and turn in Makors tags....

That would bring me up to 8 unmodified derived in gal but honestly, .1 gal standings is not worth that much extra work so I am just making the switch now.

Anyway... Tomorrow I plan on making the move to gal space so I'll keep you updated



DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#359 - 2015-09-19 08:42:25 UTC
Turgon Erazmus wrote:
Well I decided to go into lowsec and mess with those before I flip to gall so for your reference with good social skills you can go from neutral to 8.41 Minny and 7.9 Gal... unmodified of course

Now having said that I did make 1 single mistake in that I also turned in 1 gall standings cosmos while I was in that lowsec system, the proving your mettle one

I also did the Ison Tiadala mission we were talking about and let me just say be sure to have a nice buffer as it hit my caldari standings pretty hard on my main combat char... I was however able to get through all that series with a tengu, though it took a bit of time.

Yeah, now you know why I said Ison Tiadala - Warlord (Minmatar) and Minas Iksan - Central Control Tower (Amarr) are the 'End Game' for the Empire Cosmos Agents.

Since there's hardly any info available on the Low Sec Cosmos Agents, my plan when I run them is to document them with screen shots like I posted earlier. Could document them in the Test server (Singularity), definitely wouldn't have to worry about interruptions from other players. I just don't like the idea of having to do it twice though.

Which reminds me, did you happen to document that mission series from Ison Tiadala?

Turgon Erazmus wrote:
another thing to keep in mind, that brought my modified minny standings up enough to turn in the first cosmos that get you BPCs, Mutama Czeik in Barkirk, my m odified after that was still only 8.72 so I stopped with Mutama, so I suppose if I was really anal about it I could grind missions till 9.6 or whatever it is and turn in Thoras tags and then to 9.9 and turn in Makors tags....

That would bring me up to 8 unmodified derived in gal but honestly, .1 gal standings is not worth that much extra work so I am just making the switch now.

Anyway... Tomorrow I plan on making the move to gal space so I'll keep you updated

So you're saying the Cosmos Ship BPC Agent didn't give you hardly any Faction standing increase after completion? Well that sux, makes it very tough to gain access to the other two Cosmos Ship BPC Agents. Oh well, at least we got the Epic Arcs to help gain access to them.

Anyway, thanks a lot for posting that info. Keep up the good work.


DMC
Turgon Erazmus
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Pandemic Legion
#360 - 2015-09-20 20:56:12 UTC
unfortunatly I didnt keep any real documentation.. I was doing it late and wasn't thinking.

I have made my flip to gal space and started at a 7.9 umodified and in case your curious heres what it was after each career area

8.09 then 8.26 then 8.41

my circle agent turn in brought me to 8.43

after that I did the data centers, did the 2 with only 2 agents followed by the bigger one they went

8.47 then 8.52 then the last big one brought me to 8.87 standings


Next I'll start hitting cosmos but that will probably take a couple days so I'll let ya know what I'm at when I finish that... then i'll move on to gal epic and lastly soe epic and finally on to just plain grinding missions if that doesnt bring me to my goal, although I would imagine this will bring me to 9.4ish when all is said and done so we'll see... I may just end up running missions for federation navy standings more than gal standings. (for the corp standing in dodixie)

anyway, that's it for now and on my next char that I do standings I'll be sure to document everything so we can get some up to date screenshots and info. I plan on having a guy in every hub then after that I imagine I'll do a lil repairing on my combat char lol.