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FACTION STANDING REPAIR PLAN ('The Plan')

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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#361 - 2015-09-21 11:25:09 UTC
Wow, that's excellent standing increase.

Good to hear 'The Plan' is helping. Thanks for posting the update.



DMC
Sentenced 1989
#362 - 2015-09-21 19:11:35 UTC
Well, another update from me.

Generally I've skipped some stuff in the The Plan, but generally got basic idea here (some data centers in start, some Cosmos missions, then stopped doing regular storylines and just hit the epic arcs).

3 years later

My main (connections 4)
Amarr Empire 8.53 (8.25)
Minmatar Republic 7.81 (7.40)
Caldari State 7.79 (7.33)
Gallente Federation 7.74 (7.31)

My alt (connections 3)
Amarr Empire 8.89 (8.74)
Caldari State 8.87 (8.72)
Minmatar Republic 7.24 (6.87)
Gallente Federation 6.85 (6.42)


DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#363 - 2015-09-21 21:30:55 UTC
Sentenced 1989,

That's excellent. Training Connections level 5 won't take very long at all to raise those standings even more.

Looks like I'm gonna have to run some more Epic Arcs before I get left behind.

Blink

Thanks for posting.



DMC
The Larold
This is an anagram of itself.
#364 - 2015-10-03 02:28:35 UTC  |  Edited by: The Larold
Sorry - I didn't have a chance to go through this whole thread, but I wanted to double-check that the info in the link is up-to-date as of Oct-2015? I'm really looking forward to going through The Plan, but wanted to make sure it's been updated as the game has evolved, while old / confusing information is also actively removed. And thanks for the work putting it together!
DingieSan
Black Bearre Cynth Mining Corperation
#365 - 2015-10-03 16:04:33 UTC
Veli ANDAC wrote:
Dear DeMichael Crimson,

Firstly thank you that you made a great topic.

I am an Amarr Militia member at this moment, and my Gallente standing is -5,59 (with lvl4 diplomacy skill).

I want to switch Gallente Militia in a short time period, in this situation what is your suggestion to repair Gallente standing?

Do I need to drop militia first?

Thanks for your helping. Smile


You can solve that problem by doing Gallente distribution missions. That means boring missions to transport small stuff between stations. A fast destroyer would be enough (relating to cargo hold requirements) for the level 1 missions to ease on the time it takes for jumping gates.
After every 16 or so regular missions a special mission will be offered that will give a lot of standing. Basically it boils down to getting those special missions while the other ones are quite insignificant.
In my case I had -5.64 standing with Amarr including level 4 diplomacy. After doing one special (distribution) level 1 mission it changed to -5.55 :-)
Still have to work my way to above -5.00 in order to fly safely in space pockets to do more exciting security missions.

Have fun :-)
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#366 - 2015-10-03 22:50:26 UTC
The Larold wrote:
Sorry - I didn't have a chance to go through this whole thread, but I wanted to double-check that the info in the link is up-to-date as of Oct-2015? I'm really looking forward to going through The Plan, but wanted to make sure it's been updated as the game has evolved, while old / confusing information is also actively removed. And thanks for the work putting it together!

As far as I know, there hasn't been any major changes done to the Event Agents listed in 'The Plan'. However every once in a while they do develop some bugs whenever new game patches are added.

As for the guide links, they're updated and as current as can be considering those are from outside sources. If there's an issue or some incorrect info listed in 'The Plan', please let me know and I'll fix it asap.



DMC
The Larold
This is an anagram of itself.
#367 - 2015-10-03 23:35:15 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
The Larold wrote:
Sorry - I didn't have a chance to go through this whole thread, but I wanted to double-check that the info in the link is up-to-date as of Oct-2015? I'm really looking forward to going through The Plan, but wanted to make sure it's been updated as the game has evolved, while old / confusing information is also actively removed. And thanks for the work putting it together!

As far as I know, there hasn't been any major changes done to the Event Agents listed in 'The Plan'. However every once in a while they do develop some bugs whenever new game patches are added.

As for the guide links, they're updated and as current as can be considering those are from outside sources. If there's an issue or some incorrect info listed in 'The Plan', please let me know and I'll fix it asap.



DMC


Awesome. Sometime in the next couple of weeks I'm going to try to follow it to the letter, and if there's any areas of confusion, I'll let you know. I love awesome docs.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#368 - 2015-10-04 13:53:22 UTC
Great, you shouldn't have any problems and if so, I'll help as best as I can.

Also please keep us updated on your progress while working 'The Plan'..



DMC
Cathmorr
Leadslinger
#369 - 2015-12-02 17:55:57 UTC
So your still only able to do this once in a characters life time? Currently i hit my standings hard with amarr being in the minmatar faction warfare. But honestly i like to hop between the two or having options because atm i don't have a corp and don't really know in what space i will be flying in 3 months or even a half a year from now. This just seems so tedious and will be worse later on if i decide to waste it this time around with a standing. Am i missing something? does CCP plan on changing something in this area? i enjoy making the decision important but idk making it an one in a life time kind of thing seems a little harsh to me.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#370 - 2015-12-02 18:57:24 UTC
Yes, almost all of the Event Agents listed in 'The Plan' can only be completed once in the characters lifetime. Currently the only exception are the Epic Arc's which can be completed every 90 days. Epic Arc's can always be accessed as long as the Faction remains above -2.00 standing along with +5.00 or higher Corporation standing.

Currently there's no definite plans that I know of that's being worked on pertaining to Standings. Course CCP likes to do things without giving any prior notice. I'm sure they have lot's of changes planned for this game which includes Agents, Missions and Standings. However most of their plans are nothing more than a 'Wish List', a nice dream that rarely ever comes true. The plans that do get worked on usually takes a long time to be put into action.

As for 'The Plan' being tedious, most players spend years creating negative standings so of course it'll take some time to repair those standings. 'The Plan' has proven itself time and time again to be the easiest and quickest way to not only repair negative Faction standings but also boost positive Faction standings as well.

Yes it's a big decision to get positive standings with all Empire Factions, definitely not something to take lightly. So if you're not sure about it and feel more comfortable playing 'Hopscotch' with Factional Warfare, then it's probably best to just continue doing that.

Thanks for posting and good luck to you, whatever you decide to do.



DMC
The Larold
This is an anagram of itself.
#371 - 2016-01-07 22:49:04 UTC  |  Edited by: The Larold
Whew! Finished all of the career agents. Mind-numbing indeed! I would like to add some valuable advice that hopefully you might consider adding as side-notes to your guide?

[Part 1]
The Larold's tips for running Career Agents while working The Plan

1. -- Time Investment is Large --

Allow for a lot of time. Possibly weeks.

You will be completing 540 career agent missions in total. (12 stations * 45 missions at each station). Even if every mission was simply undock -> fly somewhere in system -> click something -> re-dock -> turn in mission, you are talking 2-3 minutes * 540. This is 17-27 hours of playing time MINIMUM.

In reality, it's more like 36-40 hours, if you account for industry jobs, traveling to the next agent, multi-system-hop missions, interruptions, and managing all of the items you build up along the way.

Depending on how long you are able to play in one session, I recommend working in increments of either 35 minutes (if you are busy like me), or 3 hours if you have a chunk of spare time.

30-35 minutes is enough time to complete any given agent. (For the Industry and Business agents, this should be enough time to get their final mission started; the rest is just waiting.)

3 hours (2+ of which must be uninterrupted by real-life) is enough time to complete all 5 Career Agents at a given station, if you do them in the proper order. (More on this below.)

2. -- Do the five agents in a specific order --

For any given station, here is the order I strongly recommend:

Business -> Industry -> Exploration -> Military -> Advanced Military

Always do the Business agent first and Industry second if your goal is to get through this tedious process as quickly as possible. The reason is that for all Business and Industry agents, the final mission (10 of 10) requires you to undergo a long production job. (The final Business mission will be roughly 3 hours, the final Industry mission roughly 1 hour.)

While you are running the Industry missions, you will run into 2-3 missions that require you to start and wait for a 3-6 minute production job. These gaps are the perfect opportunity to get a jump start on the Exploration missions.

Once you have the mission 10 jobs underway for Business and Industry, you can complete any unfinished Exploration missions, then move onto Military and finally Advanced Military. If you have done all of this in one sitting without interruption, you may still have 1+ hour to wait on your Business job. At that point you kind of just wait around.

3. -- Buy and keep a combat frigate you know well when a specific ship isn't required --

You will want a combat frigate you know well to keep on you for the duration of running this phase of The Plan. They are essential for killing all of the tiny NPCs, and they travel quickly with sufficient cargo space for all of the 3 to 6-hop courier missions you'll be running. They also help for fast travel when the time comes for you to pack up from one career station and move to the next.

Personally, I bought a kestrel and fitted it with 4 meta missile launchers and a nice AB. I don't recommend you wait until you are at a career station to buy a frigate; the one you want may not be available, or may be hideously expensive. I picked up my kestrel in Jita and brought it with me to all 12 career stations.

4. -- 6 million ISK for free! Don't pass up the chance! --

I discovered a great little insurance trick you can use to make a total of roughly 6 million isk for free.

During the Advanced Military agent, there are two missions you will be sent on that require you to lose your ship. The ships are given to you as part of the mission.

Always buy the most expensive insurance option for these ships before you undock!

Since we know with absolutely certainty these ships are going to get destroyed, we want to maximize our profit. The platinum insurance option is the one that will yield the most raw ISK profit. In general, I was making about 150k profit on the ship loss in mission 2, and another 350k on the ship loss in mission 5.

5. -- Auto-pilot will slow you down --

Running the Career agents got so boring I couldn't stand it. I started putting on auto-pilot for the courier and 3-system hop combat missions, then alt-tabbing out to wikipedia. Try not to do this if your goal is speed.

6. -- Keeping your inventory clean --

After running all 5 agents at a career station, you will have accrued a significant amount of junk, including 5-6 ships and a whole bunch of small items. Unless you want a bunch of stations cluttering up your 'Personal Assets' view, you'll want to handle all of this clutter. As a whole, it's worth a decent sum of money. Here's a fast way to de-clutter your inventory while cashing in on most of the overall value. Believe me, after 6-7 career stations, you'll be looking for a procedure like this!


  1. Repackage all ships and reprocess them (If you like, sell the ones worth more than the reprocessing value. This is rare.)
  2. For skillbooks and cheap implants, sell or trash them. Or, move them into your frigate's cargo
  3. Glance through your station items, move anything useful you want to keep into your frigate's cargo
  4. Sell the minerals currently there
  5. Shift-select EVERYTHING in your station items list and reprocess them in bulk
  6. Sell remaining minerals
  7. Trash the few items that can't be reprocessed.


Your goal, if you're like me, is that when you undock to leave for the last time, you want there to be no entry for this station in your Personal Assets window.
The Larold
This is an anagram of itself.
#372 - 2016-01-07 22:51:15 UTC
[Part 2]

7. -- Don't accept Advanced Military mission 2 until you've renamed your rewarded frigates --

Be a little careful. Advanced Military: Mission 2 is where you are given a specific frigate armed with hidden explosives. You MUST use this exact ship to complete the mission. The problem is that it is likely you will already have a frigate of the same type in your inventory. If you accept the mission, the frigate will be placed into your inventory and stacked;you will have no way to know which is which. If you try to fly the mission with the wrong frigate, it won't let you approach the target and you will waste time.

What I do instead is, right before accepting the mission, I look to see what kind of frigate I will get. I then look in my ship hangar, and assemble / rename the 1-2 ships of that type. (I call them something like 'temp1' and 'temp2'. NOW, you can accept the mission, and the frigate you need to use will be easily identified. (It's the only frigate of that type you didn't rename.)

8. -- Use the exact items you are given --

There are a few missions where you need to use the exact item you are given, not an equivalent purchased from the market or that you brought with you. If you try to do these missions without the necessary item, you will either not get credit for having done them, or you will simply be prevented from approaching the target you need to use them on. (It will appear as if you ship is bouncing off of a giant invisible bubble.)

9. -- Pace yourself --

Running career agents was novel for the first couple of stations, but it got reallll boring by the 7th or 8th one. Break it up. Pace yourself. It's honestly hard to have fun with these by the time you're done.
The Larold
This is an anagram of itself.
#373 - 2016-01-09 22:29:14 UTC
Couple of quick questions.

I started doing Level 1 Data Center missions for Gallente, including turning in tags for the level 1 agents. While the faction standing gain is nice, for each agent, the drop in enemy faction standings is almost equivalent. (Dropped 0.11 for Caldari as I gained 0.13 for Gallente.) While this is a net 0.02 faction win - are the Data Centers worth the time and expense hassle if my goal is to raise all 4 faction standings as much as possible?

Next question - assuming I continue through the Data Center missions, can we deviate slightly from the order mentioned in the Plan? The Plan says that for a faction, one should do Level 1 data centers and then level 1 cosmos, then back to level 2 data center, etc. Is there anything stopping me from trying to save a lot of flying around, and just turning in 20 of each kind of tag for all agents levels 1 through 4 at a given data center?

Thanks! Loving the plan!
Cai Shen
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#374 - 2016-01-31 23:28:09 UTC
Hey DeMichael I saw a page or 2 ago in this that you were looking for screen shots on some cosmos, I plan on working the plan and documenting standings increases for gallente I see turgon did a lot of it but is there any screen shots or any missions that you need any additional info on?

I'm in the first set of career agents so it will be awhile but figured I would ask before I pass something you need.
Cai Shen
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#375 - 2016-02-03 20:22:01 UTC
hmm I see he hasnt posted for awhile, hopefully hes still around
Miss Negotiatrix
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#376 - 2016-02-06 04:37:28 UTC
has anybody done the minmatar cosmos recently?

I'm curious on the spawn time of one of the NPCs
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#377 - 2016-02-10 04:35:25 UTC
Hello Capsuleers,

Sorry for my absence, I was 'Lost In Space' for a while but luckily communication with Mission Control allowed me to find my way back.

As for following 'The Plan', the steps laid out in it are merely guidelines which can be customized to fit each capsuleers situation. In other words, if you wanna just do all of the Data Center Agents then by all means do it. I don't know if you'll be able to gain sufficient standing from each Data Center Agent to access the next Agent in line.

If so, please post that info here.

Just a word of advice though, the low level agents (Career, Circle, Data Center, Cosmos) all give a small amount of Faction Standing increase. If you have low standings with their Faction they actually give you a rather large increase. If you decide to do them later and don't do them first as advised in 'The Plan', their standing increase will seem like a waste of time.

Now about asking for screen shots, I don't actually recall doing that. Maybe it was for the Cosmos Agents Mission Briefing. Guess I'll have to re-read the thread.

Hope that helps and thanks to all for posting.


DMC
Cai Shen
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#378 - 2016-02-10 04:51:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Cai Shen
lol its entirely possible I was drunk and just thought you were looking for some lol


I did do a few of the cosmos the german site shows as no gains or just didnt know anything about it

when all is said and done I'll write something up on them

I have a min standing of 6.44 and a gal of 5.61

thats after minny career, data, circle, and 12 cosmos agents



I even figured out how the standings mechanics work which can only help me write stuff up.... well I can understand for the main, I understand the formulas and theory behind the derived but the actual rewards I get dont match up with what my spreadsheet said I should of gotten.

and I even use the % reward from the transactions when clicking on the gal standings in your portrait thing.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#379 - 2016-02-11 23:09:34 UTC
Cai Shen,

Thanks for the reply. Obviously all of the Guides currently available for Cosmos are old and need to be updated with current info, especially since some of the missions have been changed by CCP over the past few years.

If anyone is currently working on documenting and creating a new Cosmos Guide, when completed it would be an immense help for all Capsuleers to present it as a guide link here in 'The Plan'.


DMC
Cai Shen
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#380 - 2016-02-12 00:33:50 UTC
I am working on a better guide, I have a ways to go still but I plan on making a website that has a guide on it

when I finally finish I'll be sure to put a link here.