EVE Alliance Tournament Discussion

Yeah, I don't think anyone would be that surprised if this was the last AT

I mean, the same team doing the same thing after previously being banned for it.

Ironically, they could have easily just have won. No team came close to beating either of their teams. Fielding 2 teams is within the rules, sharing setups and AT ships is within the rules, they just didn't need to fix their own matches. Had they just genuinely fought each other they'd still get exactly the same share of AT ships and prizes because agreeing to split prizes is also within the rules.

Seems that wasn't enough lol.

CCP is imperfect sure, but I doubt they are so foolish that they would throw away one of their more successful creations just because some players trolled them.


That sounds like a pretty good case for assuming their innocence until some actual evidence is produced to the contrary, doesn't it?

no, because they already got caught cheating. So the contrary is to assume.
Cheater is most likely to stay cheater.



be honest and speaking up after the match, to CCP if needed. How bout that?
DHB could speak up, why not the others?

I would expect in the course of the investigation, the other players on the Hydramel team will be given a chance to speak up. As their account and possible prize ship is on the line, I hardly imagine all of them are going to deny anything happened if infact, like DHB, they were duped and didn't realise until the last stages that their actions had actually been predetermined at a BBQ event sometime before.

This is Eve, as so many people have pointed out, their loyalty is to themselves and not some imaginary corporation and e-bushido. IF there were clear signs something was amiss on the final stages like DHB asserts then they aren't going to go down with the ship when they know full well that others are going to save themselves. And why should they? This was collusion at the highest level, the actual grunts that did the work were, according to DHB, oblivious until the 2 parts of the team met.

All that is perfectly clear.

I think CCP absolutely needs to carry out an investigation. I do think it was a massive blunder for them to announce it publicly, but that is a different matter.

What I find really daft is that so many people are predicting the result of that investigation and calling it against Warlords and Camel.

Given the history of the groups involved and the obvious tournament prowess of the two teams, it's more likely that the investigation will turn up no concrete evidence at all.

People do that, I haven't as I'm happy to wait to see what CCP find.

As for calling it publicly, that's just to show they're looking into it, rather than just silently ignoring questions about DHBs statement. You can't really fault CCP for doing that.

Yet you've made your own prediction, so I guess you're no better. The history isn't so good. Isn't at least one of the key players banned for RMT? Yet here he is trying to get his hands on trillions of ISK in prizes. The team accused has also done exactly this before and was banned from participating the following year.

What you're actually saying is you don't think they'll have left anything concrete as evidence that can be used to prove what they've done, so I'll just wish you the best of luck getting your AT prize ship back :)

This is all daft. I dont care whether the accusations are true or not. It makes no difference to the tournament in the future. Everyone knows what went on. Everyone knows something unethical went on. What matters is the rules get changed for next year so all of this stupid behaviour and using the tournament as a profit machine gets blocked out. Someone or some people did something which damaged the tournament to make a quick buck. It doesnt matter what that thing is, what matters is they knew they were doing it, they knew it was wrong, and they didnt care about the consequences for the tournament. If there is proof, they need to be banned from ever participating again, because they have done it before and you bet your ass they will try and do it again, they dont care. If there is no concrete evidence for CCP to use, then the people resnponsible need to have it as difficult as possible for them to break the rules again.

If neither of these things happen, next year is going to be a farce, and there will be no point in continuing the alliance tournament at all. Instead of treating it as a bit of fun, and as a tool for prestige, you can bet more alliances will make the tournament into a profit machine, it will be part of their yearly income, just like moon mining used to be.

I do NOT want to be a part in a tournament where this is the case.

The point at which the ships were taken it ceases to become a troll, even if that's how it started.

There's no way Hydramel can continue to exploit the same flaw in AT rules, so it hurts them more than anyone else. They've been exploiting it for 4 years now and I can't see how CCP cannot change the rules for next year and allow them to continue doing it.

I too initially thought it was a troll, but if it was, it backfired.

No, that would just be where it escalated to a higher level of trolling.

Sounds rather like they've just pulled up the ladder behind them, doesn't it?

With so many people going full ******? I don't think so.

With their 80 or so AT ships, which are worth hundreds of billions of ISK, frozen by CCP which in turn gives PL the majority of the available AT ships to sell and profit off of due to lower availability, yeah it sorta did.