EVE General Discussion

What does this post have anything to do with suicide ganking or abuse of mechanics? It doesn't say anything at all specifically. I like how the fan boys run to this as evidence but don't actually read it. It's a warning that Concord will pop anyone that aggresses in high sec, and that they have to go to low sec if they want to play pirate. Read the actual quote you posted lol.

Uhhh wut?
Is that hyperdunking or just something similar? It reads like it's something different to be honest.

Time to adapt.

You realise that they're explaining that engaging in criminal activity can and will get you blown up, yes? You know, making ganking something of a suicide — quite some time before when you insinuated that it started to appear.

You also realise that, at the same time, this shows a much more lackadaisical attitude towards player aggression than what's in place today, yes? Again, quite in opposition to the development you've suggested.

Just face it: your blustering about age and experience has failed because you have proven not to have an accurate recollection oor knowledge of what things were like.


It's a fairly recent variation that I've only seen a single goon engage in. It's the “superhyperdunking” alluded to earlier (yes, that is indeed what he called it… :cripes:)


Meh. More a case of time to go back to the original version.

You can however choose not to walk through a war torn country with signs brandishing racial slurs or through some slum waving around large amounts of cash....

We are trying to think of eve as a civil and happy place. It isn't Remember this is a system where two whole factions (minmatar and caldari) were driven from their homes under gunpoint. It is a place where racial tensions are deep. It is lawless as you get away from these corps. People commit crimes in eve, and are punished. But if you are out in the hood, might take a bit before the police can respond, if safe to at all.

That said, the punishments for empire crime could be a bit sterner and more lasting.

The point is to make a distinction between competitive PvE and PvP. The anonymity is what removes the identification of players. You know there are other players acting on the market, but you do not know who they are or where they are. You then do not think of the lottery as PvP just because you know it has lots of people in it who are all trying to win, do you?

Of course can you throw away your ISKs, trash your ship or lose it to an NPC. The loss alone does not make it PvP. Only when the loss was caused to you by another player is it PvP. If you then did something on the market that caused you a loss is it only self-inflicted (you never really wanted it anyway), but was not caused by another player. You got what you have asked for, which is fair and not a loss.

…which doesn't in any way disqualify it from being PvP. Anonymous or not, they're still players, not AI-controlled entities, so there's still no PvE to compete in or over.

If you want to make a distinction between “competitive PvE” and PvP, it helps if you actually try to include some PvE in the first part.

It won't. What they just outlawed was an evolved version that's designed to cut down on the number of damage ships used (and thus on cost and complexity), and instead sacrifice a crapton of worthless decoys.

Hyperdunking continues as before, and is still an unusually harmless single-player version of the regular fleet-based gank (unusually harmless exactly because and as a direct consequence of the whole single-player bit).

At what?

.... this is still going on? You are misunderstanding competitive pve being indirect.

Indirect competition means that your result has no effect on the other person's attempt. Time trials and such. That is considered Competitive PvE. You are going against the environment. Take said results and compare. Example of Competitive PvE in eve is when me and my buddies would compare bounty ticks. We would run a leader board of who would get the most bounty payout in a tick.

Markets, I change my sell/buy order values, it affects your ability to buy/sell items. I am directly affecting you, one player to another. It is a direct response. I lower my selling price, you stop selling items. Direct response. If you sell elsewhere, you are in a different area is all. Player vs Player. PvP is not restricted to kills and losses. It is simply Player! vs! Player! They are not on isolated environments where the final score is the only thing compared. It is one field, competing for resources.

I really don't know how much more clear it can get? For the rest of you debating it, if it continues, I really say to drop it. Any more debate is an attempt to troll or just the most stubborn ignorance I have encountered.