EVE General Discussion

It is as I described it. It is a fight for position in a market environment.

All you are describing is correct, only is this commonly called competitive PvE.

Loss is important in PvP.

Of course it was. With CW2.0, there was no longer any GCC, and the underlying exploit was patched out. The conditions that made it an exploit no longer existed and hyperdunking very specifically does not replicate those conditions — in fact, it relies on the exact opposite. In the end, it was just another way of evading Concord destruction, and hyperdunking wouldn't function if Concord doesn't show up and destroy stuff.

Not in any way that is meaningful for the reshipping restriction, no.

Again, that's not really adaptation — they're removing themselves from the ecosystem, making themselves extinct.

This is another example of how you thinking is flawed from the get go. Who said "never be the victim of a crime"? See how you automatically defaulted to the extreme there?

Like I said, i deal with people who think like you all day. One even told me "since I can't be 100% safe, I just decided to say F it and let the chips fall where they may". This while i was taking a report about how he'd had something expensive stolen from his totally unlocked vehicle... What was funny was that he was mad at US because "there is never a cop around when you actually need one". This after not lifting a single finger in his own defense.

People that think like what I describe get victimized all the time. What I almost never see are people who took precautions against crime/evil/accidents. Just like in game, you almost never hear from people who take precautions, who think and plan and have back ups in place. It's always the 'professional soft targets' who actually get hurt that I see.

And just like you just did here, when you try to explain objective reality to them, they think it's the stupidest thing they ever heard and accuse people of 'blaming the victim'. It demonstrates not only that they don't understand, they can't understand actual reality.

Except that's not what you said. You stated that you can just not be the victim and so not worry about any of it. Like it's an option. Just because dumb people exist doesn't mean that everyone that's a victim is dumb. You're unwilling to even consider the idea that perhaps it's not down to what the victim did and wasn't a choice to them.

Anyway, let's not go too far off topic. The guy want's to quit because of hyperdunking. He has convictions and sticks to them. Good for him.

And Salvos, shhhhhh.

Responsible people rarely get victimized.

For the nubs that pretend to have been around Eve from the beginning and pretend that suicide ganking was there from the start contrary to what I said, the first Eve post mentioning it was mid 2006 on the old forums - years after I was playing Eve... just like I said.

http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=303483

Edit - interesting how many of the replies to that thread are similar to what is said today. Some things never change

For the nubs that pretend to have been around Eve from the beginning and pretend that suicide ganking was there from the start contrary to what I said, the first Eve post mentioning it was mid 2006 on the old forums - years after I was playing Eve... just like I said.

http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=303483

CONCORD deploys Special Ops
2003-06-07 22:39 By CCP Hellmar
Just a word of warning to the ones that want to make a name for themselves in the world of EVE. Empire controlled space, means that the space is controlled by the empires. If the police are not cutting it against players riding an obviously imbalanced module combination, reinforcements will be called, be it special NPCs or GM controlled NPCs (special-ops).

Do as you please in non-empire space but please don’t complain when the empires take action against you in their space, when you are obviously violating their rules.

The actions taken today were with in the rules of the game, the ships being used are ships in the game. The empires have ample resources to manufacture them and the pilots controlling then have up to 3+ years experience flying EVE vessels.

If you want to role-play a pirate corp., this is the environment we provide. The only thing we are guilty of is not communicating this clearly enough but in this case everyone involved had a chance to evacuated empire space before "the four" hit them.

It is as I described it. It is a fight for position in a market environment. Players are represented by brokers and stay anonymous, shielded by the market environment, not just by the station they are sitting in. Or do you disagree with this description?

All you are describing is correct, only is this commonly called competitive PvE. You do certainly compete against other players in competitive PvE. Hence the name. In competitive PvE do you perform tasks, but these cannot be targeted at another player. You only may look at other players, judge their progress and attempt to be better, but you are not fighting them directly. You are only fighting yourself, your limits, the time, the environment, but nothing you do can be used to cause the other players a loss. In competitive PvE is there no loss. Players only compete to make a gain. So is market trading.

Loss is important in PvP. All power in PvP has an equivalent in the amount of loss you can suffer. A rookie ship is replaced easiest, but also does not pose much of a threat. A Titan is very expensive and takes time to build. Losing a Titan is a unique experience, but the power that comes with it is equally unique. The power defines your ability to fight and to inflict losses and the fear of a loss is what drives you to defend it. If it had no loss would EVE be a PvE game.