EVE General Discussion

Maybe CCP gives a huge crap which is why for past few years the entire focus has been about making eve challenging, engaging and more available to new players. How do we know they don't give a crap? The level of engagement from the devs over the past while has shown they give a crap and are taking it personally. I cannot thing of many other games in which the developers are this in touch with player base.

Sometimes they do things counter to what current players want. Why? Cause they need new players. You cannot survive by only trying to keep the existing customer base. There can be a time where you actually have to tell them tough luck just to keep the business alive.

I laugh when vets whine about no content for them and that CCP was putting so much effort into the NPE. Why would CCP invest into keeping one account when they can make changes that will bring in two new ones? New players are our content. We want it all being improved from ground up.

Is that all? I used to be a member of NCDOT. Here is a picture of me at a NCDOT gathering. The bald guy is Vince.

Did you not know that the internet is a harsh place? You can play the victim or you can ignore ti and actually enjoy life. Players who can't do that much should be here, and the idea that there leaving is some kind of loss is insane.

I dont really agree with your conclusion, but your premisse is right, CCP does have endured to make EVE more challenging and engaging. But all they done was further more dig into the niche market they are, which are in no way publically liked and accept as a form of game.

Most of the changes are made to please and keep the current playerbase and very little was made to actually keep a diversified kind of new players.

EVE is like a prison, you only stay here if you are someone's female dog or you find someone to be your female dog.

OMG, most of you think were playing Hello Kitty online.

For gods sake open your eyes. Eve is not an environment for normal people, Eve is a place where very nasty things WILL be said to you. Some people are good at ignoring it, Some people are not. For some of you to think that all the nasty stuff thats said by players does not have an effect is odd.

Lots of you lack the knowledge and awareness of what Eve is really like in some places.

I can also remember 1 dude who was a fireman in RL being told to go die in a fire because he disagreed with an in-game issue, He was a good player and got involved with lots of things and had fun, guess what he's left now.

Man up! HTFU! and accept the truth that some eve players are nasty and have had hand in making numbers drop significantly.

No, because that usually means something completely different: trying to prove yourself better at some PvE activity than the other guy. Competition over resources is not the same thing — it's PvP. You are not comparing scores; you are looking at who ends up with the stuff to the detriment of whomever does not. You are still not trying to “beat” the environment, just the other player(s).

This is just you once again trying to redefine two terms to suit your purpose, rather than accept that what they actually mean. Above all, it is not commonly called “competitive PvE” because that is not a commonly used term.

Maybe it's about time you stop doing that, then. It's not even remotely difficult to see if you just try a little. It's so simple it can be compressed into three (or two, depending on how you count) letters that fully explain the commonality: PvP.

…and that doesn't make it any less PvP since he's still entirely and completely engaged in a competition with other players.

We're well aware that we're NOT playing Hello Kitty online; maybe you should try explaining that fact to the people that come to Eve from other MMO's expecting the same kind of experience, and then fly off the handle when their expectations are not meant.

Eve is advertised as a cold dark and hash universe, CCP try to deliver on that advertising. It's not our fault, or theirs, that people misconstrue that advertising and come to Eve expecting it to be just another MMO.

It's called a niche game for a good reason.

Dammit Tippia

MMOs in general are in decline at the moment. The current crop of gamers coming up flit between games every few months; you can't really count on keeping them around.

Unless the game offers something completely unique, it will not keep people around in the long term. EVE does offer something - consequences and the ability to be a bastard. It's a harsh place, one of the few in gaming. That's its niche. Trying to appeal to the mainstream will drive out the long-term players and result in new subscribers that get bored after a few months and leave. Those people won't sustain the game.

1st of all, CCP fails at filters.

But second, how in hell do you 'censor' 3rd party comms? And if people can't handle salty language, why are they on the internet? Contrary to modern belief, no one has a 'right to not be offended', especially in a game like this. I'm black and I've heard more N-words on comms than I have at the several Geto Boys concerts I've been to for the last 20 years.

To me, EVE is like a biker bar. If you go into a biker bar expecting good manners and political correctness, it's you who is wrong, not the bikers. If it bothers you, avoid biker bars, same for weak minded gamers, hello kitti online exists for a reason, as does EVE.

TL;DR, it's not for us to change, it's for them to adapt.

Every MMo forum people complain about the game going around to please every kind of people even the farmville crowd.

In EVE people complain that New Eden is a hornets nest.

Try to imagine, for a moment, "EVE is real".

What kind of people you think will survive if you get the general public of planet earth, take them to the other side of the universe, and close the gate they came in.

What kind of people you think would thrive and a high seas like environment where numbers, strenght or both are the only things holding the group up.

Do you really think that your average Twilight Fan would survive ?

EVE is like prison. Again.

No. It is not that simple, but it depends on how you do it. When you can fight each other directly then it is Player versus Player, even when these players sit inside spaceships. If these ships have names to them and there is even a little picture of the player to be seen then the target gets recognized as another player. So even if there is a bit of environment around your pod in form of a space ship is this commonly recognized as a fight between players.

If the fight happens indirect, where one player cannot directly influence or even stop the other player from acting, and even when you can see the other player, the it is Player versus Environment, even when it is done as part of a competition. The players will find themselves struggling more with the environment, i.e. timers, rules, objectives, etc., than against the other player.

PvP in spaceships means it is a direct confrontation, the other player is threatening to destroy your property, to send you home and to deny you access to a part of space. The other player can gain power over you and stop you.

In both PvP and competitive PvE can one lose, but the loss in PvP is an actual loss inflicted upon you by other players. In competitive PvE does one lose, because of a rule set and you are just told to have lost. In competitive PvE can you still walk away with a profit or some resources etc. even when you were declared the loser. In PvP do you go home with less than you had at start or even nothing.

Do give competitive PvE a try. Many games offer it and they do call it that and you will see that it is less fun than PvP.