EVE General Discussion

You seem to be using the word bully out of context, using superior strength and influence to intimidate others is within the rules of the game and is a recognised activity that is encouraged by game mechanics.

While it certainly fits the real life definition of bully; in the context of Eve, its rules and mechanics and the general ambience of the game that definition is largely irrelevant and has no meaning. When people take that activity out of the context of the game is when it becomes bullying.

"Competitive PVE" sounds like people seeing who can get the highest score in space invaders. The Eve market you might compete to see who can get the highest score (Isk) from selling items. This is two real people trying to sell imaginary items to other real people and win by selling more. Sounds like PvP to me.

Hahaha, "Competitive PVE", that just sounds silly :)

Not just new players, older players too. PVe'ers, and miners.

And forgive me for reading the title of this thread properly. the OP is talking about decline in numbers so that is what I will talk about.

Now you're going to tell me the harsh environment does not affect people right? Face it, too many of you have alienated lots of our older players and at the same time made it impossible for new players to get a foothold on anything.

My eyes are open man. I remember a thread where someone posted about another player calling him a child molester he was upset by being called this and nobody had any sympathy whatsoever. He was told to stop playing by lots of people, so he took their advice and did that. 1000s of people have had similar problems and guess what? Most of them have left.

I like a dark and harsh environment.

Most of you should stop contradicting yourselves and just accept that the community is partly responsible for numbers dropping, It is silly to treat 1000s of people like **** and then cry on the forum when they've left. Stop blaming CCP for everything and look in the mirror.

While in real life your body always fights against gravity does the environment in competitive PvE not necessarily have to compete against you. You and another player might just be engaged in a race of flower picking and the one with the most flowers wins.

…gravity isn't competing in the race either. Gravity is just part of the UI.

Yes, that would be your bog-standard PvP over resources.

Some of you have a very nasty attitude man. People have placed cans in systems I've been in calling me racist names, My family has been insulted. I've been told to go have sex with my sister. I've been camped for 3 years of my game and I'm still here because I have a strong mind.

I remember 1 dude telling me someone had even insulted his dead brother. This thread will get closed or my posts could be deleted because I am not afraid to tell you about the game as I have experienced it.

Talking to people in the way I mentioned above will have a serious effect on some people and the game in general, people will leave and never come back. MAN UP!! and deal with it and accept that some of our players actions have contributed to players leaving.

After a housing market analogy derail, this thread will be foreclosed before I get home to reply using a keyboard.

Do you know why people had no sympathy? The player in question has repeatedly tried to intimidate people in various fashions over the years, he's a well known troll, terrible shitposter and a massive manchild. He also failed to provide any proof whatsoever of the accusations he was making.

Guess what, despite his promise to never come back and his tear filled rants on external gaming sites, he still plays. He's quit at least twice in a massive self induced drama fest that I know of, and he's still a shitposting troll of a manchild.

I can think of at least 1 significant factor in dropping PCU numbers, which is the work of CCP.

At least 50% of the people you claim that we treat like crap came into Eve believing it would be WoW, or the equivalent, in space; they expected separate PvE worlds where they are not subject to PvP. They left when they found this to be a false impression.


Have you ever considered that you may be at least partially responsible for the experiences you've had?

After slogging through several pages of this thread, one theme has emerged: the definition of PVP vs PVE. This is in no way helpful to the topic. And as usual in EvE, there are wildly polarized opinions with intractable positions that are perfectly justifiable in the minds of their owners, with no room for open mindedness or compromise. I'm sure I will be flamed merely for not accepting a highly polarized opinion.

Me and two other corp mates came back to EvE after a long hiatus only to find radically reduced population numbers. So much so that our cyno alts are almost never threatened, as a gauge. We met CODE after a few days and once we knew of their existence, studied up and found their manifesto and their "take it up the ass and state you like it or make it onto our **** list" practice. Everything they do is within the rules, and I dare say, is likely supported by CCP. We operate in CODE territory with impunity basically because I don't think they understand the concept of showing up with enough alpha to beat the Concord timer. Yes, we are on their **** list and they follow us all over the map, oh, except into low/null sec. They are not a threat.

Now, I am in a gaming group and we play a broad array of games, from D&D to board games, to Diablo III to EvE. Without exception, the non-EvE players think CODE's manifesto is Internet bullying and should be prosecuted as such. The EvE players among us will not disagree. So I need to ask, if my extended group of highly experienced gamers and hardcore PvPers thinks CODE qualifies for Internet bullying, then I would think many other gamers do too, especially those new to EvE who have met up with CODE the hard way. Who can possibly think that this kind of perception among non-EvE-centric gamers would lead to expanding populations?

I am not blaming CODE totally, but this kind of thing certainly contributes to low population. Many will not even consider EvE just hearing about this "fair" bullying and the EvE created term "Bully Corps". Great! Bullying by design. Others rage quit upon experiencing it. And I read many in this thread saying "good riddance" and "we are better off without them". Okay, cool. Then enjoy the low population, and stop wondering why.

Now add in the typical down time faux pas that CCP is famous for and the negative perception is sealed.

One way or the other, arguing over the definition of PVP vs PVE will not solve anything and is a waste of time and intellectual energy.

To be fair, he did provide proof that he was breaking the same rules he accused the other guy of breaking and was initially angry about how he had been slapped on the wrist for doing so.

So you forgot to add “ridiculously self-important hypocrite” to the list.