Player Features and Ideas Discussion

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Have you really ever tried probing, bro?

No, it is only 4 or so of us. It's not like we are burning Jita or something along those lines in protest.

We are simply highlighting a flaw in the Entosis Linking system (interceptors) that can be exploited. Other than MOA picking at systems in pure blind, no one has really utilized this, yet. I want people to think ahead into the future. One 300 man gang, all interceptors, deployed to every system in a single region. It is impossible to react to all of those in an effective manner. If you manage to scare some off, they can come right back and do it again because they escaped. Now imagine this consistently happening over a week's period, sounds like fun stuff right? No.

Stop grr gooning and think logically about the situation.

Same question back: Why are you evading conflict in Null sec by hiding under the most powerful entity in the game, stifling conflict in an entire sector of Null sec? Your complaints about risk-aversion are entirely hypocritical as long as you are a member of the CFC. However, if you were not a member of CFC, you would not be able to exist. I would now say that you should stop your own risk-averse behavior before you demand it from others, but as this is a sandbox you are free to do what you want to do. However, claiming other people are risk-averse and dodge conflict from a person in CFC is absolutely hilarious to read. I am not against conflict in Null sec, I live in an area with near constant action and sov threats. I have more than enough conflict in my local area. You on the other hand have pacified an entire sector in Null sec, complain about meaning less "trolls" of ceptors to your space and need to go to Providence under the guise of RP or other far away areas of space to find activity.

Please tell me again how disallowing ceptors is not creating conflict in Null sec, how cruisers would be so much better (considering your "impenetrable border controls", I am very interested in hearing that) and how you contribute anything to the "conflict in Null sec" in your area?

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@bigbillthaboss3 It does not matter. At all. Whatever CCP does, as long as there are enough people lumped together, acting together it does not matter whether 300 ceptors are able to do this or 300 cruisers or 300 BS. You cannot defend against any of it and even less so against something bigger than ceptors as the bigger ships demand more than just one person to take care of them or bigger ships brought by the defenders themselves to take care of intruders. This reduces their capability even more to counter such a ridiculous onslaught.

I am entirely aware of that EVE players have nothing better to than to exhaust any and all mechanics to the ridiculous extreme. Nothing CCP can introduce will change that.

The purpose of this change, as with Phobe and others, was to press sort of a reset button with Eve.

CCP intends to bring chaos to new Eden. The extremely low barrier to entry to sov and disproportionately more manpower required to nullify sovwanding is clearly an indication of CCP's intention to bring asymmetric pain down on sov holders.

The trick with these things is no one knows what kind of order will emerge after all the old structures of organization have been burnt down. It's made doubly complicated by the fact that people are getting tired with sovtrolling already.

Also, remember that to burn things down, you have to have someone to build things up. If the CFC can actually manage to wipe Provi indexes and ihubs in 3 days and destroy 100 days and 500B in effort, imagine what message that will send to anyone else wanting to build their little empire.

How can you be bitter about siegefleet? Siege & Sing w/Suas was where we first got to hear Boat's Oddity... live and unplugged, even!

Head to where MOA are sniffing around but don't expect a fight, their cepter fleet ran from my roaming dreadnought.

Or Boat's inty-killing Levi.

When I told him about my theory on a roaming titan I didn't expect him to try it.

I'm not hiding, I'm simply a member of a decently sized group that works together, that's all. It's not my fault that you have some form of discrimination about people who work together to win EVE.

It's not about risk aversion, it's lack of commitment. I commit a hell of a lot more to nullsec than an interceptor. Also, you are confusing risk aversion (avoiding risk even at cost of efficiency) and risk mitigation (minimizing risk while maintaining efficiency). Interceptors clearly aren't the best choice to attack sov, but the people using them won't put anything more on the line because they are cowards.

Really? I've been playing EVE for over 10 years and I've been an Imperium member for 2 and a half, so clearly you're wrong.

We don't have impenetrable border controls, sine we aren't under threat of being conquered regardless of who brings what into our space. Whatever way it goes, we're safe from people attacking us. The point with interceptors is that nobody can really stop them getting through, so they are the most optimal choice for most people looking to attack an enemy without committing too much.

Having cruisers (or battlecruisers more realistically) would mean that to contest sov you'd have to consider the choice. Will they defend? If they do defend do we have a force to fight them? If all else fails do we have a backup and/or evac plan? With interceptors that's all out the window. You can go fire at nearly any timer and the worse that happens is you lose an interceptor if you fall asleep. In the meantime there's hundreds of timers being created for people to have to deal with, meaning that they can't also go out seeking conflict as they have "work" to do, in a game. If commitment were required, harassment would still be possible but would require you to risk a bit to do it, but importantly most of the sov contests would be real attempts at fighting over sov.

*sigh* You as in your alliance, or any other alliance besides CONDI in CFC. You as in your person, your character has no significance to me in this context. Thank, though, for confirming that point.

There would not be such questions, because the answer to them at least in an attack plan against your sov is clear: Yes, attacks are futile. No, we do not have the backup of thousands of people. No backup plan necessary as no first action plan is necessary. I do not understand how something will create more fights if there is no initial trigger to begin with.

Ceptors cannot create any timer if driven off right away. Unless they are brought in such ridiculous numbers as previously hinted. Then, as stated, it does not matter if it's cruisrs, ceptors or BS. The sheer numbers overwhelm the defender. Period. Harassment does not require commitment, that is why it is harassment and not a serious attempt to take over the sov. As stated before by many people, ceptors do not take over sov, it is fleets that takes over sov and they already commit. Only if defenders allow ceptors to run nodes, they are able to do that. And believe me, I have been in many situations where I had to waste loads of time trying to link a node with my ceptor only to get a visit from a Cerb or Orthrus right after I started my warm-up. Another wasted 5 minutes, and I slowly but steadily ran out out Stront and the way back to my Stront Depot was blocked by an insta locking gate camp,which would have fried my ceptor. I thus absolutely not see any problem with ceptors, unless brought in huge numbers and then the above applies and nullifies anything else in the first place.