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Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#921 - 2015-08-20 19:41:24 UTC
Oh yeah, you're absolutely right. I can count on one hand, the number of fleets I have been on where there wasn't at least one blue that I wanted to primary and then try to have kicked from comms. Unfortunately, sometimes, that someone is also the FC. Truth be told, there are only about five FCs who's fleets I will go on. Not because the others are bad at spaceships, but because they are bad about letting loud retards ruin everyone else's evening. Yes yes, I know: no chatter channel. Unfortunately when one needs to be able to listen to input from scouts, they're also stuck listening to every mouthbreathing, unfunny shitler who thinks that "tell your wife to make me a sandwich" is the height of comedy.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#922 - 2015-08-20 20:20:25 UTC
Cancel Align NOW wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:


Malcanis wrote:
"Sov trolling" - a term used by people who think that undocking an interceptor in their prime time to defend a system is far too much to expect, but simultaneously think that it's far too little for an attacker to ante up.

If you're not going to muster sufficient defence to ward off a single ship, why would anyone bother to send more?
That's not the point though, is it. It's boring to chase a ship you know is deigned specifically to evade and is disposable in the odd time it's caught. The whole idea of sov is to create conflict. With sov trolling existing, even groups who used to create conflict now opt to run away.


Perhaps SMA should invade Initiative. It would provide some clarity in this discussion.


Perhaps they should come with us on our next vacation!

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#923 - 2015-08-20 20:21:34 UTC
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
Oh yeah, you're absolutely right. I can count on one hand, the number of fleets I have been on where there wasn't at least one blue that I wanted to primary and then try to have kicked from comms. Unfortunately, sometimes, that someone is also the FC. Truth be told, there are only about five FCs who's fleets I will go on. Not because the others are bad at spaceships, but because they are bad about letting loud retards ruin everyone else's evening. Yes yes, I know: no chatter channel. Unfortunately when one needs to be able to listen to input from scouts, they're also stuck listening to every mouthbreathing, unfunny shitler who thinks that "tell your wife to make me a sandwich" is the height of comedy.



Drop by VANIS channel, I'll vouch

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#924 - 2015-08-20 20:37:08 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
Oh yeah, you're absolutely right. I can count on one hand, the number of fleets I have been on where there wasn't at least one blue that I wanted to primary and then try to have kicked from comms. Unfortunately, sometimes, that someone is also the FC. Truth be told, there are only about five FCs who's fleets I will go on. Not because the others are bad at spaceships, but because they are bad about letting loud retards ruin everyone else's evening. Yes yes, I know: no chatter channel. Unfortunately when one needs to be able to listen to input from scouts, they're also stuck listening to every mouthbreathing, unfunny shitler who thinks that "tell your wife to make me a sandwich" is the height of comedy.



Drop by VANIS channel, I'll vouch

Believe it or not, I had considered Init back before I ended up in GSF. Funny enough, it was because of reading stuff that you and Bliss had written on Kugu. Then I found out that you guys are (or at least were, not sure about currently) almost entirely EUTZ, which poses a bit of a problem, seeing as I am a filthy American who often works late, even by USTZ standards.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#925 - 2015-08-20 20:40:58 UTC
God knows we've tried to get a USTZ working Cry

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Snowmann
Arrow Industries
#926 - 2015-08-20 22:34:44 UTC
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
Look, you can ride the "stop blueing everyone" train to the end of the line, but what you are hoping for isn't going to happen. Those who disliked the scope of our coalition are mostly already gone. What you have left, is largely a bunch of friends (in leadership anyway) who will ride Eve to it's grave, before resetting each other just because some lowsec jackasses think we should. This has been shown time and again. No interceptors, cancer nodes, or amount of "it's your own fault" is going to change that.
We are humans. We have formed a cohesive spacetribe. It's been this way for years. CCP can either plan around that, or watch things continue to go to hell. I am honestly at the point where I don't even care anymore. I'll leave the game before I see coalitionmates resetting each other just because CCP saw fit to shoot themselves in the foot with a gun that was loaded for human nature.
I have a feeling that I am not the only one.



Which completely validates what CCP is doing.
Snowmann
Arrow Industries
#927 - 2015-08-20 22:41:15 UTC
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
You can call us by whatever name you wish. It doesn't change the fact that we'll just be over here, playing other games with this same group of friends, until CCP decides to unfuck their game.
My point is, we've been here for years. We're not going anywhere. You would think people would have accepted this by now, and realized that any attempt to break us apart is going to result in unsubs,....


Might not be such a bad thing, for the game.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#928 - 2015-08-20 23:03:11 UTC
Oh come on now is it really better to unsub in a huff than try and work out what super special space magic that INIT.-are-**** Initiative have got?

PEE ESS RAZOR NOW HAVE THE SPACE MAGIC TOO!

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Salvos Rhoska
#929 - 2015-08-21 00:47:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
My point is, we've been here for years. We're not going anywhere. You would think people would have accepted this by now, and realized that any attempt to break us apart is going to result in unsubs,....

Even I know this, and accept it and realize repercussions.

But this also constitutes very serious problems in many number of ways, as Im sure you are aware of too.

In the meantime, game continues, fortunately with most of the population blissfully ignorant and at least, at best, only indirectly affected.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#930 - 2015-08-21 13:43:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Gallowmere Rorschach
Snowmann wrote:
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
You can call us by whatever name you wish. It doesn't change the fact that we'll just be over here, playing other games with this same group of friends, until CCP decides to unfuck their game.
My point is, we've been here for years. We're not going anywhere. You would think people would have accepted this by now, and realized that any attempt to break us apart is going to result in unsubs,....


Might not be such a bad thing, for the game.


I like where you decided to cut that quote off. For the record, I am not talking about GSF line members unsubbing because "can't rat safely" or whatever drivel you like to tell yourself. I am talking about major content creators bailing out of nullsec, and not just bloc level FCs either.
As a prime example, go read wheniaminspace's reasons for leaving Eve, that he posted on Reddit. Hint: Aegis.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#931 - 2015-08-21 20:47:09 UTC
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
Snowmann wrote:
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
You can call us by whatever name you wish. It doesn't change the fact that we'll just be over here, playing other games with this same group of friends, until CCP decides to unfuck their game.
My point is, we've been here for years. We're not going anywhere. You would think people would have accepted this by now, and realized that any attempt to break us apart is going to result in unsubs,....


Might not be such a bad thing, for the game.


I like where you decided to cut that quote off. For the record, I am not talking about GSF line members unsubbing because "can't rat safely" or whatever drivel you like to tell yourself. I am talking about major content creators bailing out of nullsec, and not just bloc level FCs either.
As a prime example, go read wheniaminspace's reasons for leaving Eve, that he posted on Reddit. Hint: Aegis.


My reaction to that gigantic steaming pile of screed is that he's a bad.

Everyone who says that they can't have fun with fozzie sov is literally admitting that they're worse at EVE than Razor.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#932 - 2015-08-21 21:23:40 UTC
You may be missing the point. Regardless of who is worse at Eve, I see a lot of the major content creators bailing out, and not many people stepping in to fill the voids. The thing with the small gang stuff that CCP seems to want to push, is that it requires far more leaders to keep the same amount of people occupied. Groups like The Imperium will have far less trouble adjusting than alliances that tend to rely on one or two key FCs.
If this ends up leading to more people taking the reins, then great. However, my more realistic expectation is mass leadership burnout, and the subsequent unsubbing of bored followers.
Marsha Mallow
#933 - 2015-08-21 21:36:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Marsha Mallow
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
bored followers.

Could you explain to me in less than 10k words exactly how entertained those 'followers' have been in the 12 months leading upto Phoebe and/or Aegis?

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day
Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#934 - 2015-08-21 22:25:54 UTC
Marsha Mallow wrote:
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
bored followers.

Could you explain to me in less than 10k words exactly how entertained those 'followers' have been in the 12 months leading upto Phoebe and/or Aegis?

I never said late Dominion was very compelling. I've just been pointing out that they may have run a weee bit far in the other direction. What they have done with sov mechanics, is basically the equivalent of suddenly making faction warfare plexes require supers and dreads. It may not be "bad", depending upon who you ask, but it would be too far in the opposite direction.
Kieron VonDeux
#935 - 2015-08-21 22:48:14 UTC
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
Marsha Mallow wrote:
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
bored followers.

Could you explain to me in less than 10k words exactly how entertained those 'followers' have been in the 12 months leading upto Phoebe and/or Aegis?

I never said late Dominion was very compelling. I've just been pointing out that they may have run a weee bit far in the other direction. What they have done with sov mechanics, is basically the equivalent of suddenly making faction warfare plexes require supers and dreads. It may not be "bad", depending upon who you ask, but it would be too far in the opposite direction.


Well, considering what they may do with Supercaps and Capitals, it may be completely relevant for them to make it so they are not needed in the new form of Sov, which they did.

And since there was so many complaining about the amount of space players owned, but not used, it made sense they would make the new Sov some form of occupancy based, which they did.

And that is all they really did. If you actually live in the space you claim, it is not hard to maintain it.

But if you play other games while you wait for someone else to start that first timer, well, you could react in Dom Sov doing that, but not in the new one, which is kind of the point.

You need to actually need to living in that space and be active to claim it.
Marsha Mallow
#936 - 2015-08-21 23:10:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Marsha Mallow
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
Marsha Mallow wrote:
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
bored followers.

Could you explain to me in less than 10k words exactly how entertained those 'followers' have been in the 12 months leading upto Phoebe and/or Aegis?

I never said late Dominion was very compelling. I've just been pointing out that they may have run a weee bit far in the other direction. What they have done with sov mechanics, is basically the equivalent of suddenly making faction warfare plexes require supers and dreads. It may not be "bad", depending upon who you ask, but it would be too far in the opposite direction.

Explain how 'earlier Dominion' was compelling, in your own words, please*

Apologies for snipping your earlier comment btw, just trying to cut through the verbiage to the point. My replies are also lengthy, so nothing wrong with a bit of rambling imo, and nps with snipping through them.

*Sorry, I know this is really mean (it really isn't personal), but Socrates is pretty much my favourite reading material
If you can't answer this one personally, maybe get a leader. Reagalan? I would't mind seeing more.

ed. *Socrates *ahem* this is what you get for trying to show off

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day
BrundleMeth
State War Academy
Caldari State
#937 - 2015-08-21 23:36:49 UTC
I havent undocked my Main for 3 years... And this one for awhile too. I just play to watch my SP go up...and chat at times...all my favorite ships have been nerfed into stupidity....Eventually I'll pack it in, the glory days are over...
Kiandoshia
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#938 - 2015-08-21 23:58:11 UTC
BrundleMeth wrote:
I havent undocked my Main for 3 years... And this one for awhile too. I just play to watch my SP go up...and chat at times...all my favorite ships have been nerfed into stupidity....Eventually I'll pack it in, the glory days are over...


That has nothing to do with Fozziesov. That's just bittervet syndrome in a very late stage ^^
Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#939 - 2015-08-22 00:57:31 UTC
Marsha Mallow wrote:
[quote=Gallowmere Rorschach][quote=Marsha Mallow]
Explain how 'earlier Dominion' was compelling, in your own words, please*

People realized pretty early on what the EHP wall in Dominion was going to require. It hastened the capital arms race among any and all serious nullsec contenders. This made for some rather interesting strategic options. Killing a capital/super fleet was no longer just about killmails, epeen, and bragging rights. Every capital you blew up, every super you aborted, every titan that you caught and killed, was one less that an enemy would have at their disposal later when trying to grind your space.

The problem with this, is that it had a pretty clear endgame. Art (and video games) often imitate reality. The cold wars we saw reaching across null by the end of Dominion were the end of an era where two superpowers possessed the nuclear option, but realized that something similar to mutually assured destruction would likely be the end result of committing these assets to invading the other. This was temporarily overcome for B-R, and it had a rather lopsided outcome.

The final "war" (more like purge) of Dominion sov showed what happens when the last true superpower is left unchecked to burn anything that isn't blue. Sebastian led one of the most effective hellpurges of a region that I have ever seen.
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#940 - 2015-08-22 01:59:06 UTC
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
Look, you can ride the "stop blueing everyone" train to the end of the line, but what you are hoping for isn't going to happen. Those who disliked the scope of our coalition are mostly already gone. What you have left, is largely a bunch of friends (in leadership anyway) who will ride Eve to it's grave, before resetting each other just because some lowsec jackasses think we should. This has been shown time and again. No interceptors, cancer nodes, or amount of "it's your own fault" is going to change that.
We are humans. We have formed a cohesive spacetribe. It's been this way for years. CCP can either plan around that, or watch things continue to go to hell. I am honestly at the point where I don't even care anymore. I'll leave the game before I see coalitionmates resetting each other just because CCP saw fit to shoot themselves in the foot with a gun that was loaded for human nature.
I have a feeling that I am not the only one.


Congrats. You are literally the cancer that's killing eve. CCP should read this till it sinks in and quit wasting time on you and focus all effort on new players.

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