Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Which is of exactly no relevance whatsoever to sov mechanics, whatever they may be.





Good lord your argument is confused indeed. You're bitching about a lack of big fights and in the same breath saying they are the same amount of fun as not having them.

You only comit if its worth to comit or if its fun. Otherwise you stay at home making isk, which is what you do. You said it above already. I dont care about isk. Nobody is going to comit to a big fight knowing you are outblobbing them and they stand a chance to lose it all unless you are looking for fun. Right now there is nobody near to CFC to do this. I doubt there is anyone in game even. CFC has becomes its true enemy.



who are you to tell me what should work how? In fact who are you to tell eve what?
I do what I want to do. I am not going to play by your strenght but by mine!



You form up every day the anti entosis fleets to chase us down. We have captured serveral system. You got to blob us every night cos we fail so much. We have failed



Yeah and no. BL has not been able to do much besides every time it does you pay them off to go away. I agree that MOA need to ramp up their numbers and think bigger. If you look at our forums, you will see I have not been shy about it in any way! I am one of the voices that says this all the time. You can ask Massa or Gen, I am sure they are tired of hearing it

But you got to also admit, that its is not sufficient. If it was that simple BL would already own half your space! So there is something more here that stops even entities like BL to take over your space.

They had large numbers of players who voted for them, that is true. It's a huge leap from there to say that they agreed with their viewpoints.

CFC and other large nullsec alliances agreed to vote for each others candidates in order to 'fix' the election. CFC sent out a filled in ballot and asked every pilot to vote that ballot with every account exactly, that order, thus ensuring that the CSM will be overly represented by pilots from large nullsec blocks. CFC pilots were asked to vote for candidates that were in red (hostile) alliances, because they had agreements that those red alliances were going to ask their pilots to vote for the CFC candidates.

It's cute that you think the CSM was elected by people who took the time to review the candidates positions and make independent selections. Don't let go of that naive optimism.

Just like political party in democratic country, the election in EVE went to the side who were able to get their supporter to vote while many candidate were un-able to get to vote for them to happen.

Also, while a ballot is suggested in most large alliance, nobody can really be held to follow it. It's not like I'm un-able to vote for whoever I want just because I have a [CONDI] tag beside my name.

The biggest reason why the high-sec candidates rarely make it is mostly because the vote they rely on is diluted on so many different candidate instead of being concentrated. Nobody is able to rally their vote under a single or few banners.

Jesus was this your first big fight in EVE Online: A Spaceship Game ? You keep harping on this one single conflict. Single. As in a value of one.

That and a large majority of people in highsec are nullsec alts.

Exactly. Nobody will.

It's basic human nature. You've even done it yourself which is why you are part of MOA. You could contest goons on your own, but you know it's better to group up with others to do it, so you do. That will always be the case. Multiple weaker groups will join to defeat a common enemy.

The only systems you "captured" are ones mid way between being swapped between our alliances internally. You've failed because you've had almost no impact on our coalition, other than providing us with content from time to time.

And why do you think we've paid them off yet never offered to pay you guys? It's because BL actually caused us significant problems, you haven't.

Yeah, the fact that we are remotely competent and we work as a team to achieve a common goal. Again, we're back to collaboration being a powerful thing in an MMO.

What? So your original argument is that there are ~gud fights~ from new sov system by sharing one example of proof concerning some t3s and machs. Now you are saying you can't find another example, after I pointed out that is only one example, thus disproving your original comment.

No, I do not have examples because there are none, supporting my initial views on the subject matter that the new system is not promoting group conflict.

Sigh.

No. The contention is that the statement that fozziesov is stopping fights is a fallacy.

I contend that there had (up until last night) been no serious contests.


So of the one serious contest I'm aware of, it has not involved nano-non committal stuff. Thus that argument is shaky at best. By all means, prove me wrong - Show me some serious sov/station contests duked out by the dual of the interceptors.

The new system would never have promoted conflict, group or otherwise but nor should it. It is by its very nature NOT a conflict driver. How are people not getting this? It is a mechanic, the drive to start a conflict needs to be something else.

Why do you think a capture MECHANIC change is going to create a CONFLICT DRIVER?

They are two fundamentally different things.

There is literally no capture mechanic in existence they could have put in place which would suddenly drive the empires to war, it is illogical to think otherwise.


So if we want decent feedback on the mechanics and it's challenges and growing pains, we should be keeping it to relevant areas and not complaining about things which it has exactly nothing to do with.




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And were they "seriously" contesting it in a months before the new system? Were they hell. So nothing has changed on that front.

You're bitching about the wrong thing.

Nobody has in a loooooong while. Who the hell will comit to the CFC if they dont have a chace for example? I dont see BL doing it . It must be for a reason.




I seriosuly disagree with blobbing a human nature. For many years this was not it until these large blue blobs began to appear. I am not saying that communities are not build...all iam saying this is not a community. Thats just a fight for who got the largest blob to throw at someone. This is not the eve I used to play. You want to blob fine be my guest but dont whine when you dont get kills. The other day you guys were blobbing us and decide to refit and you lost your numbers became smaller. We engaged you probably 30 vs 30 more or less. Both parties had fun. Blob us again and we will deny you the fun the same way CFC did to its oponents for years!


To you is a failure. To us to do this vs 50000 people + titans and all the stuff that you guys throw at us its a victory. We are 1000.



Well thats obvious. You have discovered cold water!