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Frostys Virpio

State War Academy

Caldari State

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#761 - 2015-08-20 17:37:59 UTC

Dracvlad wrote:

Arrendis wrote:

Dracvlad wrote:

And what MOA is doing in Pure Blind is harassment of an enemy who has already put off their much talked about invasion of Provi, because of what exactly? The feeling that they cannot allow MOA to take systems. I call that a big win for Eve.

So you're saying not having conflict is good for EVE? Interesting!

Your only example of fight escalating was 3rd partied by Provi.

So much for fight being harder to 3rd party huh...

bigbillthaboss3

Amok.

Goonswarm Federation

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#762 - 2015-08-20 17:38:48 UTC

Dracvlad wrote:

~Previous Rebuttals~

The good news is that your ability to project your fun on others which is not fun to them is curtailed, before you could sit behind the huge EHP and super / titan superiority and go anywhere in Eve without a care to look for fights.

You are missing what we are saying here, we like the new fozzie sov system. It just needs tweaks and details ironed out i.e. an interceptor being able to solo a whole constellation, regardless if anyone is defending or not.

Regarding your super capitals comment, I am pretty sure it was us who lead the pack in reducing the effectiveness of "super blobs". We realized how invulnerable groups can be with massive super capital blobs and felt as if it could present unfair advantages.

Dracvlad

Taishi Combine

Astral Alliance

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#763 - 2015-08-20 17:39:16 UTC

bigbillthaboss3 wrote:

Dracvlad wrote:

A lot of words

Wait wait wait.... IRC is complaining about the use of capitals and having peace agreements with other entities?

I'm pretty sure you guys got too greedy and wanted more space and got punched for it.

I was not in IRC leadership, I was a director of a corp who was in some channels, in effect it was the mismanagement of the leadership that broke an agreement with Razor that FC's did not know they had, the agreement was not to hit Razor structures.

But I am talking about the IRC that existed before that point and how they would have done with the new sov system.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

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Arrendis

TK Corp

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#764 - 2015-08-20 17:41:22 UTC

Dracvlad wrote:

Arrendis wrote:

Dracvlad wrote:

So you're saying not having conflict is good for EVE? Interesting!

Except, as has been mentioned by those involved, that fight had nothing to do with Sov.

Just like my egg sandwich this morning isn't an indication that Aegis Sov is great because I had bacon.

Querns

Science and Trade Institute

Caldari State

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#765 - 2015-08-20 17:42:29 UTC

Warmeister wrote:

torp bombers your coalition used to grind sov during fountain and halloween wars that could cloak as soon as someone enters local, and that can move via covert cynos.

It astounds me that people are still bitter about siegefleet.

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Frostys Virpio

State War Academy

Caldari State

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#766 - 2015-08-20 17:43:14 UTC

Dracvlad wrote:

Frostys Virpio wrote:

Alavaria Fera wrote:

Dracvlad wrote:

what I am waiting for is the Imperium and PL to crumble and people to start ignoring the poorer systems, once that happens I intend to move in.

Go to the east where the command nodes have been sitting since the sov changes

Why do you want our space?

Grrrr organisation!!

Or something...

Oh dear a Grrrr comment, how unoriginal...

I am looking near Stain, no where near you lot, I don't want to give you lot any content at all, MOA is giving you what you deserve Twisted

Just beside stain there is catch which already has space available for you to take with timer being expired by over 20 days. Why aren't you taking it yet? You really need us, some 7 region away, to crumble before you get in?

PL's only current SOV help is in germinate so that's also kinda far from catch. They really need to "crumble" before you join in on the fun of the galactic ding dong ditch game?

Orca Platypus

Pator Tech School

Minmatar Republic

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#767 - 2015-08-20 17:43:24 UTC

Dracvlad wrote:

Arrendis wrote:

Dracvlad wrote:

So you're saying not having conflict is good for EVE? Interesting!

Actually people are feeling out the new system, there are some major fights occurring, the Intiative vs Gentlemans Club is one such example. These bigger escalation will start happening more and more, because they can not be easily third partied and there are systems that will be more important for a full on fight

You cannot asses it based on your issues in Pure Blind is mainly because of your strength, it has to be harassment, you just have to deal with it and not assume taht all the content is like that.

The good news is that your ability to project your fun on others which is not fun to them is curtailed, before you could sit behind the huge EHP and super / titan superiority and go anywhere in Eve without a care to look for fights, it made Sov space boring for many people, oh look its the Imperium, stop people doing PvE with cloaky camps etc., after a while when numbers are down as people go back to hisec in comes the big guns, go for head shot, done dusted, agree to transfer sov, look how great we are, more recruits great game. That is not going to work for you any more is it?

You ask about PL, well the issue about them is the ability to escalate to full on end game escalation, that means any sov holder has to take them into consideration. The Darkness retreat is what I expect to see from many alliances, however as soon as they get complacent and go in half hearted someone will give them a a bloody nose at least for a short while. Personally for my part as a future sov holder I would not put all my eggs in one basket, let them take the sov and take it back when they go elsewhere. The key question in terms of PL is how many stupid alliances are out there that will give hell camp full on content to PL, not many I hope. If that is the case then I expect a certain downgrading of their ability as time goes on, classic Eve boredom wearing out of an enemy.

The question is how long will this take and how many players leave because of it, well my group came back because of these changes, but the change in the players will take time to manifest itself, but it will.

I feel like we could probably get along really well, dear sir.
Such wow, much like.

Once again, stay strong CCP, don't cater to gewn tears, if they can't counter a ceptor it's their own damn fault, no need to bend the rules with the most unrealistic obscure limitation ever.

Frostys Virpio

State War Academy

Caldari State

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#768 - 2015-08-20 17:44:37 UTC

Arrendis wrote:

Dracvlad wrote:

Arrendis wrote:

Dracvlad wrote:

So you're saying not having conflict is good for EVE? Interesting!

Except, as has been mentioned by those involved, that fight had nothing to do with Sov.

Just like my egg sandwich this morning isn't an indication that Aegis Sov is great because I had bacon.

Bacon is always a good indicator.

Arrendis

TK Corp

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#769 - 2015-08-20 17:53:30 UTC

Frostys Virpio wrote:

Bacon is always a good indicator.

Fair point. Lemme rephrase

Dracvlad wrote:

Hey, look! Some Imperium Alliances and some N3 Alliances shot one another! Clearly, WALKING IN STATIONS is a huge success! Who cares if the fight wasn't about the best way to play barbies, right?

Lucas Kell

Solitude Trading

S.N.O.T.

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#770 - 2015-08-20 17:54:50 UTC

Dersen Lowery wrote:

I said that it's terrible marketing, because it indisputably is: anyone who runs from some media site to download the EVE client because they have visions of massive battles dancing in their heads is going to be disappointed. Disappointed players don't stay. They don't tell their friends about that great game that they got hooked on. Instead, when their friends come to them all excited about the latest lagfest in the latest string of random characters, they shake their heads and say that it's not like that. Bad word of mouth marketing is much, much worse than no marketing at all.

I'm not saying that it wouldn't be nice to see the battle you were part of in print. I'm not saying they aren't good stories.I'm saying that they come with a steep price.

And I'm disagreeing. Anyone that joins then leaves would never have stayed anyway. If they stay for a month, yay, income. Some do stay because those fights are accessible to people and because they find other things they also like.

The word of mouth about EVE is already out there - steep leaning cuve, spreadsheet in space, toxic community. That's always going to be a problem. At least when they also see "massive quarter of a million dollar space battle" there's some level of positive to it.

I believe that these stories are a net positive result and that getting rid of them is a big shame. Getting rid of the actual battles is worse.

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Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 124
Icycle Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire Likes received: 124	#771 - 2015-08-20 17:57:17 UTC \| Edited by: Icycle wow at last CFC decided to look for action. They call it trying out sov in Providence. https://soundcloud.com/mel-gibson-774238727/mittani-provi-war-primer Minute 18:00 for the actual Providence strategy. I would recomend it highly if into sov and new changes.

Harry Saq

Of Tears and ISK

ISK.Net

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#772 - 2015-08-20 18:41:22 UTC

Don't listen to all the noise Team 5-0, stick to your vision and focus on making individual systems worth having and maintaining. Also, you may want to get ahead of the curve a bit and reduce the costs of ihubs and upgrades, those are a hangover of the old system and need to be more in line with the new concepts of smaller groups being able to setup shop, get blasted out and try try again.

Tallardar

Doomheim

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#773 - 2015-08-20 18:43:12 UTC | Edited by: Tallardar

Icycle wrote:

wow at last CFC decided to look for action. They call it trying out sov in Providence.
https://soundcloud.com/mel-gibson-774238727/mittani-provi-war-primer

Minute 18:00 for the actual Providence strategy.
I would recomend it highly if into sov and new changes.

Why would you listen to it though? You've admitted you're not interested in sov.

Harry Saq wrote:

While Team Five-0 are at it, they should also work on limiting the number of people in a single solar system from the current max to about 50, it'll make the fights more manageable for the server and works within the idea of "localized content only" that CCP want to turn the game into.

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Icycle

Imperial Shipment

Amarr Empire

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#774 - 2015-08-20 18:50:13 UTC

Tallardar wrote:

Icycle wrote:

Why would you listen to it though? You've admitted you're not interested in sov.

Free intel. Also I am naturally curious. And see how can I use it to my advantage.

Tallardar

Doomheim

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#775 - 2015-08-20 18:51:43 UTC

Icycle wrote:

Tallardar wrote:

Icycle wrote:

Why would you listen to it though? You've admitted you're not interested in sov.

Free intel. Also I am naturally curious. And see how can I use it to my advantage.

So far, despite the CFC giving out all these sort of speeches throughout its history, you and your alliance have failed to capitalize anything like this to your advantage. It's literally be 1 step forward, 2 steps back for you for years.

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Icycle

Imperial Shipment

Amarr Empire

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#776 - 2015-08-20 19:03:14 UTC

Tallardar wrote:

Icycle wrote:

Tallardar wrote:

Icycle wrote:

Why would you listen to it though? You've admitted you're not interested in sov.

Free intel. Also I am naturally curious. And see how can I use it to my advantage.

unlike your alliance right? Lol


Arrendis TK Corp Likes received: 4,252	#777 - 2015-08-20 19:11:16 UTC 2 Icycle wrote: unlike your alliance right? You know, not to defend PL or nothin', but when a single corp in an alliance can lose 3 trillion in a day and the corp and alliance recover w/in 9 months, you really can't say they're not doing something right.

Frostys Virpio

State War Academy

Caldari State

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#778 - 2015-08-20 19:12:19 UTC

Icycle wrote:

Tallardar wrote:

Icycle wrote:

Tallardar wrote:

Icycle wrote:

Why would you listen to it though? You've admitted you're not interested in sov.

Free intel. Also I am naturally curious. And see how can I use it to my advantage.

unlike your alliance right? Lol

Yeah it's not like they had probably around 1/4 of SOV space under their own renting alliance under the previous system right...

Not sure it was 1/4 but BoT was not small.


Tallardar Doomheim Likes received: 68	#779 - 2015-08-20 19:13:51 UTC \| Edited by: Tallardar 1 Icycle wrote: unlike your alliance right? You mean Pandemic Horde, a new player focused alliance that's been around for a whopping 4 months? I don't think your "burn" worked out the way you think it would. Pandemic Horde Tutorial Videos \| Monthly Nullsec Recap

Hendrink Collie

Sebiestor Tribe

Minmatar Republic

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#780 - 2015-08-20 19:15:30 UTC | Edited by: Hendrink Collie

Arrendis wrote:

Frostys Virpio wrote:

Bacon is always a good indicator.

Fair point. Lemme rephrase

Dracvlad wrote:

Hey, look! Some Imperium Alliances and some N3 Alliances shot one another! Clearly, WALKING IN STATIONS is a huge success! Who cares if the fight wasn't about the best way to play barbies, right?

Didn't your boss say to not be whiny and be to be the adult in these discussions? MOA is annoying sure, but I'm not sure they are worth the pages of yuck I have to go though to find interesting tidbits What?

Anyways, unlike the constant crying in this forum, the Mittani laid out in the soundcloud that was "leaked" about their strategy as far as what changes they are looking to push. I'm generally in argument with what he said. The trollceptor should ultimately die. It just isn't a good thing to have participate in sov warfare, though as a tackle ship I'm glad it has a spot in EVE. Another point he wanted was node decay, which I think would be great. Takes away the troll factor of people hitting nodes and then forcing the sov holder to clean it up even if no one shows. I'm not sold on the battle cruiser and up change though, I think have a variety of ship classes and fighting styles based around entosis warfare is a good thing and shouldn't be limited.

As for the INIT/Razor vs GCLUB and Friends fight, it actually has been one of several fights that have been going on do around the Tenerfis/Catch/Immensea area the last coupe weeks. The original campaign was GCLUB vs Stainwagon, but as people have noticed the conflict point, more people have stopped by. I was in GCLUB for awhile before taking a break from null, so I've been watching to brawls. Here is some examples you wanted:

http://evf-eve.com/services/brcat/?s=4825,4830,4828,4826,4824,4829,4827,4815&b=6643920&e=120&t=WrmIauqLcOb&r=1
http://evf-eve.com/services/brcat/?s=2155&b=6639632&e=90&t=ravq&r=1
http://evf-eve.com/services/brcat/?s=4810&b=6619430&e=90&t=uvvqqubeab&r=1

Along with dozens of smaller fights not worth linking (like this one https://zkillboard.com/br/45153/ ) . So some interesting campaigns are out there, I promise.

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