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[Galatea] First batch of sov capture iterations

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Querns
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#601 - 2015-08-20 02:07:29 UTC
Sentamon wrote:

Nobody will ever take you on, ever ... unless CCP starts giving out free Titans and someone else wants to run a 50k coalition.
A 1v1 with entosis pilots is about the best you can hope for, but you send overwhelming numbers at him too and cant figure out why he runs.

But keep on recruiting and blueing and don't let the door hit you on the ass when you leave.

I love that the idea that the Imperium's invincibility is so assured that even people who hate the coalition are accepting it as gospel.

It's probably our most successful piece of agitprop ever, and it's at its strongest when the barrier to entry for sov warfare is at its lowest.

This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

Wolfensrevenge
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#602 - 2015-08-20 02:59:58 UTC
Icycle wrote:
afkalt wrote:
Have the newbros kill them:

[Atron, newbro kill farming]
Overdrive Injector System II
Small Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste
Damage Control II

5MN Cold-Gas Enduring Microwarpdrive
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
X5 Prototype Engine Enervator

Modal Light Electron Particle Accelerator I, CN Antimatter Charge S
Modal Light Electron Particle Accelerator I, CN Antimatter Charge S
Modal Light Electron Particle Accelerator I, CN Antimatter Charge S
[empty high slot]

Small Auxiliary Thrusters I
Small Auxiliary Thrusters I
Small Auxiliary Thrusters I



All Meta barring the OD (lol hull upgrades II) and the DC (lol hull upgrades IV).

4743/6781m/s with heat.

Feed the newbros delicious kills Smile


My point exactly. Heck you dont even need the tech 2 stuff. You can easelly do this with tech 1 only.


You guys have never played eve? Your not going to catch a ceptor with a 250 Km headstart going 750ms faster......Get your head out of jita 4-4
Orca Platypus
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#603 - 2015-08-20 03:15:51 UTC
OldWolf69
EVE-RO
Goonswarm Federation
#604 - 2015-08-20 03:45:27 UTC
Captain StringfellowHawk wrote:
Tallardar wrote:
Warmeister wrote:

So the real reason there is no conflict is because people like mittani don't earn enough Isk from ratting? That's a believable story


You do realize people, like Tappits, have been saying the same thing for months/years right? You need something to fight over rather than your name on a map because that's just superficial thing. Having resources in Null worth taking is what drove conflict and some sandbox related things like OTEC. As it stands there's little incentive to take systems from your neighbors or push your way into Null as the income levels are lower than other areas of the game.

You're better off doing WH gas harvesting in a C1 than taking a Null system in terms of ISK income.


True Story.
Faction warfare pays better than Sov and your AFK most of the time alone in a site...
Wormholes Significantly pay more then Null-Sec and you can just go on day trips in and out of em.
Incursions pay better than Null-sec and it is all PVE.
Depending on your luck.. Chasing Tags and BPC's in Low-sec can also be more lucrative than null-sec.

No reason to go to war and kick over a sandcastle when that Castle has nothing worth pillaging. As more and more new entities move out into Null-sec they will learn that the large isk faucets have been greatly reduced. Holding Sov to build and sell supers? For what reason do we have to buy them? Looking to hold Sov for .. well.. supers was really the reason to hold Sov. Moons are everywhere.

Null-sec is not stagnant because of a Big Blue Donut. Null-sec was not Stagnant because of Dominion and Structure Grinding. Null-sec became Stagnant when everything being Fought for was removed or greatly nerfed. Put in something worth breaking NIPS/NAPS for... watch how quick people start breaking them. Give alliance leaders reasons to risk assets for better rewards, and we will have fights all the time again, at least until the next OTEC or something is built.

Just like in real life.. Empires need a reason to invade another Empire. Resources are always a good motivator. Moons at one time were, but now moons for everyone \o/ Something new needs to be added to fight over. Hi-sec has Incursions, Faction warfare has the LP points, Soon we have Drifter content. Something needs to be added that will make a group want to pull its stakes and fly across the galaxy and open fire upon someone to stake claim. Currently this Everyone Vs Everyone game lacks any real Conflict Driver.

CCP has no clue of real life lol. They all live in Becauseisayso land.
...on a second tought, who would NOT want to live in his own utopia, where live gods wich Saysotrue?
Props, CCP, now i understand what's going on.
Wolfensrevenge
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#605 - 2015-08-20 03:50:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Wolfensrevenge
Orca Platypus wrote:
And we have another gewn tears gem here!


Captain StringfellowHawk wrote:
Faction warfare pays better than Sov and your AFK most of the time alone in a site...
Wormholes Significantly pay more then Null-Sec and you can just go on day trips in and out of em.
Incursions pay better than Null-sec and it is all PVE.
Depending on your luck.. Chasing Tags and BPC's in Low-sec can also be more lucrative than null-sec.

2013 nerf hisec tears, and here I thought after all those hisec nerfs CCP landed I won't taste those anymore. He must have been frozen for 2 years...

Captain StringfellowHawk wrote:
No reason to go to war and kick over a sandcastle when that Castle has nothing worth pillaging. As more and more new entities move out into Null-sec they will learn that the large isk faucets have been greatly reduced. Holding Sov to build and sell supers? For what reason do we have to buy them? Looking to hold Sov for .. well.. supers was really the reason to hold Sov. Moons are everywhere.

So why are there wars all over south from fountain to drone regions?
Some people must have not heard there is no reason to fight yet, I guess.

Captain StringfellowHawk wrote:
Null-sec is not stagnant because of a Big Blue Donut. Null-sec was not Stagnant because of Dominion and Structure Grinding. Null-sec became Stagnant when everything being Fought for was removed or greatly nerfed. Put in something worth breaking NIPS/NAPS for... watch how quick people start breaking them. Give alliance leaders reasons to risk assets for better rewards, and we will have fights all the time again, at least until the next OTEC or something is built.

Isn't propagoonda's official position is that there is no blue donut?
It seems like it's not as strong as usual, not being able to convince even average gewnie anymore...

Captain StringfellowHawk wrote:
Just like in real life.. Empires need a reason to invade another Empire. Resources are always a good motivator. Moons at one time were, but now moons for everyone \o/ Something new needs to be added to fight over. Hi-sec has Incursions, Faction warfare has the LP points, Soon we have Drifter content. Something needs to be added that will make a group want to pull its stakes and fly across the galaxy and open fire upon someone to stake claim. Currently this Everyone Vs Everyone game lacks any real Conflict Driver.

There is a myriad of reasons. Boredom is a valid reason.
It's not the game's fault that your coalition is more into fear than boredom and would rather drop half the galaxy than fight.



I Live and just took sov in the south.. We did it because our players had nothing to do. There is no isk to be made here other than building caps( that are not really in high demand).As a line member we have no SRP, are forced to rat in pipe systems, and have no reason to mine because the zombie dead in highsec mine more than you could ever want. In fact most of our line members run incursions in highsec to make isk to fund the pvp in null that they once loved or station trade at crazy prices to make some profit for the insane time it takes to get things moved in. Everything about the (Null Food Chain) is broken mainly because highsec has an unlimited supply of ATM machine wealth to feed all of eve.

I agree with everyone that says null is dry when it comes to isk. Highsec is the best risk vs reward out there incursions still make null look silly and you are not generating content for anyone but NPC's and yourself why risk a ship or inconsistent isk cycles in null when you can farm endlessly (now with insurance as well) in highsec with no risk.

CCP says risk Vs reward is there drive but nothing could be farther from the truth. The theme park MMO that James315 foretold has arrived. Now its time to move to highsec and go afk with your macro's on.

The risk vs reward is so bad in null that FOZZI FORCES PEOPLE TO RAT !!!!! if you have to force someone to rat then clearly there are a million better ways to make isk... how is that rewarding.

Why a Risk-Free Highsec Would Kill EVE Online its finally effecting null in a major way.

Emergent game play is dead its only arranged PVP from here on out. that's what these times are.

Now that i think about it i haven't even logged on unless its a vulnerability window...
Mitchellion Saroir
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#606 - 2015-08-20 04:27:42 UTC
While its been kind of hinted at earlier in this thread (before the MoA Goons headbutting contest started up) the main issues of the trollceptor are its sub-warp speed and its interdiction immunity. The way i see it there are several possible answers to this and while the 4000m/s hard limit would work to stop the trolling of space that has anyone home in it (which is kind of the idea behind fozzie sov, you live in it) I'm not a massive fan of hard limits on things.

To me, a better option would be to apply the same code that limits the number of propulsion modules you can have active at one time to entosis links. This uses code that is already in game to prevent the activation of the entosis link while a prop mod is cycling or vice versa. this counters the trollceptor as well as the 500mn cruiser fits that have been mentioned but not quite so loudly decried.

On another note the idea of the entosis link either being unable to be fit to ships with interdiction nullification would remove trollceptors from the current equation without removing the ability to fit the entosis link to other ships or influence their doctrine possibilities through limiting mechanics such as mass increases or disabling of propulsion modules. However, it is entirely likely that other kite ships would replace the trollceptor such as the garmur, which is why I prefer the disabling of the propulsion module.

It is also worth mentioning that disabling the propulsion module encourages control of the grid before entosising begins which fozzie has stated should be what happens. not that anything prevents entosising while not being in control of the grid but it should be pretty obvious who to shoot.
Maldiro Selkurk
Radiation Sickness
#607 - 2015-08-20 04:50:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Maldiro Selkurk
And..........CCP caves !!!!!

Surprised, nope. Just go back to before. You surrendered in what one month?

Way to hold out there CCP.

Lets do this, since you are spineless cowards just let the CSM tell you what they want and you code it. Time to end the charade that you CCP are in any semblance of control of the game's direction and just admit nullsec owns you to the core.

CCP your pathetic groveling sickens me, i can only assume none of you have mirrors in your homes because staring cowardice in the face every morning would be just be too much for anyone to deal with on a daily basis.

Yawn,  I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really.

Orca Platypus
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#608 - 2015-08-20 04:57:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Orca Platypus
Wolfensrevenge wrote:
I Live and just took sov in the south.. We did it because our players had nothing to do. There is no isk to be made here other than building caps( that are not really in high demand).As a line member we have no SRP, are forced to rat in pipe systems, and have no reason to mine because the zombie dead in highsec mine more than you could ever want. In fact most of our line members run incursions in highsec to make isk to fund the pvp in null that they once loved or station trade at crazy prices to make some profit for the insane time it takes to get things moved in. Everything about the (Null Food Chain) is broken mainly because highsec has an unlimited supply of ATM machine wealth to feed all of eve.

Yeah I'm in the neighborhood. Probably shot your buds a few times.
Hear, hear, there is no ISK to be made in nullsec... I wonder where those trillions of ratting bounties that are paid out monthly come from... where is the moons... where are those super big respawning mining anoms, icefields, exlcusive PI planets...
"zombie dead hisec" mines almost NO zydrine and NO megacyte. Takes a real pve failure to not know that.
Hear, hear, moving stuff into Catch is hard... you are less than 20 LY from hisec, get a grip. FFS I checked your systems and you can jump there right from HED-GP, so just confirm no bubble, gate your JF in, and go. Super easy compared to my place.

Wolfensrevenge wrote:
I agree with everyone that says null is dry when it comes to isk. Highsec is the best risk vs reward out there incursions still make null look silly and you are not generating content for anyone but NPC's and yourself why risk a ship or inconsistent isk cycles in null when you can farm endlessly (now with insurance as well) in highsec with no risk.

CCP says risk Vs reward is there drive but nothing could be farther from the truth. The theme park MMO that James315 foretold has arrived. Now its time to move to highsec and go afk with your macro's on.

Nerf hisec qq is so 2013 mate. It's been nerfed and nerfed and nerfed from there on. It's no longer possible to mine for profit in hisec, but I guess you were frozen in time and still haven't caught up.
I made 1.6b yesterday in 2 hours by buying a few escalations from ratters and looting them. Not much ratting involved aside from complex clearing.
Try that in hisec...

Wolfensrevenge wrote:
The risk vs reward is so bad in null that FOZZI FORCES PEOPLE TO RAT !!!!! if you have to force someone to rat then clearly there are a million better ways to make isk... how is that rewarding.

Why a Risk-Free Highsec Would Kill EVE Online its finally effecting null in a major way.

Emergent game play is dead its only arranged PVP from here on out. that's what these times are.

Now that i think about it i haven't even logged on unless its a vulnerability window...

That nerf hisec qq is so 2013 mate.... so 2013... in fact 2013 called and wants it back.
And yeah, how dare he to force you to take all that ISK you cannot make. Here's a solution, recruit some ratters. We did, and it worked out beautifully - they rat, mine, make stuff, and call you when there's pew to be had.
Fozziesov is full of emergent gameplay you simply suck at. I gotta say it very much benefits me, who just lives in a system and only boards a pvp ship voluntary when there's a trollceptor I have to volley out of existence, and it never troubles me to do so.

There is a new nullsec out there where you have to occupy a system instead of having a ghost town with your name on it. Dominion thinking patterns are gone and it makes people who are bad at adaption mad, which makes me feel good actually.
Orca Platypus
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#609 - 2015-08-20 04:58:31 UTC
Maldiro Selkurk wrote:
And..........CCP caves !!!!!

Surprised, nope. Just go back to before. You surrendered in what one month?

Way to hold out there CCP.

Lets do this, since you are spineless cowards just let the CSM tell you what they want and you code it. Time to end the charade that you CCP are in any semblance of control of the game's direction and just admit nullsec owns you to the core.

CCP your pathetic groveling sickens me, i can only assume none of you have mirrors in your homes because staring cowardice in the face every morning would be just be too much for anyone to deal with on a daily basis.


A bit too harsh on the outside but incredibly correct at the core. QFT.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#610 - 2015-08-20 05:03:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Querns wrote:
Sentamon wrote:

Nobody will ever take you on, ever ... unless CCP starts giving out free Titans and someone else wants to run a 50k coalition.
A 1v1 with entosis pilots is about the best you can hope for, but you send overwhelming numbers at him too and cant figure out why he runs.

But keep on recruiting and blueing and don't let the door hit you on the ass when you leave.

I love that the idea that the Imperium's invincibility is so assured that even people who hate the coalition are accepting it as gospel.

It's probably our most successful piece of agitprop ever, and it's at its strongest when the barrier to entry for sov warfare is at its lowest.

The Imperium leadership are the heroes we need and deserve.

It's the best <3


Edit: Moa isn't falling for it, they're still invading

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Pandora Myuki
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#611 - 2015-08-20 05:34:02 UTC
fix for the ceptor issue, 1 is just as good as the other. 1. Reduce the cargo hold capacity of ceptors and increase the stront amount required that would exceed cargo capacity of interceptors or 2. Entosis links can only be fit on Cruisers or larger. either one should be an easy fix.
Tallardar
Doomheim
#612 - 2015-08-20 05:37:37 UTC
Orca Platypus wrote:
Gewns and UAxDEATH try being dominionfags and fail pathetically. Working as intended.


I like how you had to tack on a bit of homophobia in your descriptor to express how upset you are that active players are sharing their opinions on their mains.

CCP and the ISD should probably remove this bit of of aspersion that calls a person a homophobic slur.
Orca Platypus
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#613 - 2015-08-20 05:47:22 UTC
Tallardar wrote:
Orca Platypus wrote:
Gewns and UAxDEATH try being dominionfags and fail pathetically. Working as intended.


I like how you had to tack on a bit of homophobia in your descriptor to express how upset you are that active players are sharing their opinions on their mains.

CCP and the ISD should probably remove this bit of of aspersion that calls a person a homophobic slur.


Recent examples show that people who look for homophobia will find it even in theater shows for kids with no sexual context whatsoever.
But it is lovely that instead of the meaningful part you want to remove it for some non-existent homophobia. It shows I'm right.
Tallardar
Doomheim
#614 - 2015-08-20 05:54:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Tallardar
Orca Platypus wrote:
Tallardar wrote:
Orca Platypus wrote:
Gewns and UAxDEATH try being dominionfags and fail pathetically. Working as intended.


I like how you had to tack on a bit of homophobia in your descriptor to express how upset you are that active players are sharing their opinions on their mains.

CCP and the ISD should probably remove this bit of of aspersion that calls a person a homophobic slur.


Recent examples show that people who look for homophobia will find it even in theater shows for kids with no sexual context whatsoever.
But it is lovely that instead of the meaningful part you want to remove it for some non-existent homophobia. It shows I'm right.


Actually, "fags", which you added at the end of "dominion", isn't "finding homophobia where it doesn't exist" since it's quite literally used as a pejorative towards homosexuals. I'm sorry you can't comprehend that and are assuming me pointing out that it breaks the forum posting rules is somehow trying to censor your inane "Grr Goon" posts rife with grammatical errors.
Warmeister
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#615 - 2015-08-20 06:08:31 UTC
Tallardar wrote:

Actually, "fags", which you added at the end of "dominion", isn't "finding homophobia where it doesn't exist" since it's quite literally used as a pejorative towards homosexuals. I'm sorry you can't comprehend that and are assuming me pointing out that it breaks the forum posting rules is somehow trying to censor your inane "Grr Goon" posts rife with grammatical errors.

only in American English. in proper english it has different meanings
Skia Aumer
Planetary Harvesting and Processing LLC
#616 - 2015-08-20 06:33:32 UTC

These fights have nearly nothing to do with sov. It's goodfight in it's finest.
G-Club dudes are great frenemies and I give them huge kudos. No-one would ever want to purge them out of their regions while they ignite such conflicts. The sheer amount of fun all involved side have can only be merited to the event-makers of corresponding alliances, and if anythig, such fights are happening despite the efforts of certain CCP developers. Fozziesov battles should be, by design, spread across the constellation - while what we see is a good old blob slugfest.
By the way, a new battle happened just recently. Once again, sov was not a factor, we just wanted to brawl.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#617 - 2015-08-20 07:12:23 UTC
Skia Aumer wrote:

These fights have nearly nothing to do with sov. It's goodfight in it's finest.
G-Club dudes are great frenemies and I give them huge kudos. No-one would ever want to purge them out of their regions while they ignite such conflicts. The sheer amount of fun all involved side have can only be merited to the event-makers of corresponding alliances, and if anythig, such fights are happening despite the efforts of certain CCP developers. Fozziesov battles should be, by design, spread across the constellation - while what we see is a good old blob slugfest.
By the way, a new battle happened just recently. Once again, sov was not a factor, we just wanted to brawl.

So as long as you feed someone killmails they won't have to troll your sov huh

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

gascanu
Bearing Srl.
#618 - 2015-08-20 07:25:40 UTC  |  Edited by: gascanu
why would anyone fit an entosis link on a bs? or a bc? why would anyone fit an entosis on any other type of ship except a frig or a recon/t3?
even if you are really trying to take sov, why would you fit the entosis on a bs for example? much easyer to fit it on a frig and buzz around till the fight is over(if there is a fight), and if you win, you go and entosis stuff, if you lose, you run away;
the problem that CCP fail to understand is that some ships are much better at entosising stuff than the others; and in entosis case, frigs can do exactlly the same work a bs/bc will do, but with much less risk and much faster(faster aka traveling times), and also, much much cheaper
Freelancer117
So you want to be a Hero
#619 - 2015-08-20 08:01:27 UTC
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:

EDIT: The main thing this system needs, just as Dominion needed, is a sov transfer function so peaceful transfers of sov can be conducted quickly and easily. But I'm sure CCP's keenly aware of this and said tweak will occur.


Indeed Cool

Problem: in Dominion sov, alliances had means to transfer sov between them, however long and inconvenient it was. In the new sov, this ability was removed, which is ridiculous for a sci-fi game.
Solution: allow executor corporations to transfer remotely structures via listed sov structures context menu, similar in the way it is now with the customs offices.

source: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5934032#post5934032

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afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#620 - 2015-08-20 08:07:26 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Orca Platypus wrote:
Gewns and UAxDEATH try being dominionfags and fail pathetically. Working as intended.


It's really kind of disingenuous to claim some minor hiccups during a sov transfer is 'fail pathetically'. Where are all the timers in Deklein?



The lack of timers on Deklein demonstrates just how right you guys are playing it.

So the question is.....why are certain other entities toiling so bad?