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[Galatea] First batch of sov capture iterations

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Alphaomega21
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#481 - 2015-08-19 17:56:38 UTC
Hendrink Collie wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Speedkermit Damo wrote:
Might be time for CCP to dust off that no-sov option they were looking at.




IMO this is what should have happened. In an interview fozzie said it came down to aegis-sov or "no-sov". Whatever coin they flipped was a bad coin.



Maybe we are all being rused and fozzie's plan all along was to make null into a no-sov system. The way to make us accept this was to roll out a system a vocal minority of players hate with a passion. Pirate

Then again, I'm open to this no-sov concept. Could be very interesting....


Based on what I have seen CCP and CCP Fozzie are not that smart.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#482 - 2015-08-19 17:58:14 UTC
Querns wrote:
A guy posting on a forum claims that he was part of "weaponized boredom" tactics and didn't get a fight. The Imperium is the most widely-known user of said tactics, and unless specifically qualified, the status quo demands that any mention of "weaponized boredom" automatically means "the Imperium."
?


Especially as the initial quote given was 'No Fun Allowed', which was used extensively - and almost exclusively on fleets - by Reagalan.
bigbillthaboss3
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#483 - 2015-08-19 18:02:59 UTC  |  Edited by: bigbillthaboss3
Icycle wrote:
~irrelevent hurf blurf~ Big smile



Does MOA own sov? No.
Does MOA plan on owning sov? No.
Does MOA have any interest in sov mechanics? No.
Is this thread about sov? Yes.


Why are you guys even in here, much less commenting? If you want ~gud fights~ you don't even need to attack our sov, just bring something other than blops bridges and interceptors.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#484 - 2015-08-19 18:05:54 UTC
afkalt wrote:
Have the newbros kill them:

[Atron, newbro kill farming]

All Meta barring the OD (lol hull upgrades II) and the DC (lol hull upgrades IV).

4743/6781m/s with heat.

Feed the newbros delicious kills Smile
You mean feed the trollceptors delicious kills. Many of them too have guns and will simply vaporise ships like this and move on.

Speedkermit Damo wrote:
Might be time for CCP to dust off that no-sov option they were looking at.
Why? No sov would be just as bad as broken sov. Either way it wouldn't generate fights.

Icycle wrote:
Maybe thats the secret to play the game and quit whining why no one will engage you?
There is no right or wrong way to play, that's what a sandbox is. Personally I don't want to play some ****** space arena game where I can fly some terrible fit ships provided to me a by an overly butthurt blogger to go after ratters. That may be your cup of tea, but it's certainly not mine.

Icycle wrote:
Nobody wants blobs or TIDI. It destroys the game.
Clearly that's false. Several thousands players at the very least DO want it, otherwise they wouldn't do it.

Icycle wrote:
I hope CCP mans up about it some day really destroys this blue blobs
So you want to see EVE stop being developed due to an enormous lack of subs? That's a bit mean.

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Icycle
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#485 - 2015-08-19 18:11:50 UTC
bigbillthaboss3 wrote:
Icycle wrote:
~irrelevent hurf blurf~ Big smile



Does MOA own sov? No.
Does MOA plan on owning sov? No.
Does MOA have any interest in sov mechanics? No.
Is this thread about sov? Yes.


Why are you guys even in here, much less commenting? If you want ~gud fights~ you don't even need to attack our sov, just bring something other than blops bridges and interceptors.


lol
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Mordus_Angels

I dont have to say more.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#486 - 2015-08-19 18:11:50 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
IMO this is what should have happened. In an interview fozzie said it came down to aegis-sov or "no-sov". Whatever coin they flipped was a bad coin.
Then they should flip the "hire a decent game designer" coin. I can;t believe the only options for a working space ownership system are "non-existent" and "terrible". Even just the basic "whoever has most amount of activity over rolling timescale owns the system" is a better mechanic than the current one. Or "activity scores points, points constantly decay, whoever has the most points at DT owns the system". There are literally hundreds of options and most of them are better than Aegis.

The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.

Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.

Tallardar
Doomheim
#487 - 2015-08-19 18:12:36 UTC
Icycle wrote:
bigbillthaboss3 wrote:
Icycle wrote:
~irrelevent hurf blurf~ Big smile



Does MOA own sov? No.
Does MOA plan on owning sov? No.
Does MOA have any interest in sov mechanics? No.
Is this thread about sov? Yes.


Why are you guys even in here, much less commenting? If you want ~gud fights~ you don't even need to attack our sov, just bring something other than blops bridges and interceptors.


lol
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Mordus_Angels

I dont have to say more.


Looks like your systems are being taken back pretty quickly after you "captured" and lived in them.
Nasar Vyron
S0utherN Comfort
#488 - 2015-08-19 18:15:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Nasar Vyron
4k is so damned arbitrary. It doesn't do anything at all to solve the troll-ability of sov. You literally would have been better off attaching a "cannot activate propulsion modules" or "50% reduction to propulsion module speed bonus." At least that would have brought them down to base-catchable speeds or at least feel less arbitrary than a flat number cap. Either way, still does not SOLVE the problem people in null have with the system itself...


CCP, let me make this clear. Everyone who has skin in sov null has said the exact same thing many many times already any yet you still seem to be focused on what you percieve as the problem and not what we are telling you is the problem.

You have taken sov which revolved around fielding a fleet/large assets (the more you bring the faster it goes) and moved it into the realm of solo+ game play and applied an artificial penalty to use of large assets with a set time to RF/capture. (Large assets may I add, that no matter how you look at it would have much stronger computer systems to better handle the act of entosising)

-Nobody but the trolls are happy that sov can be contested by a single player who has no intention of fielding an asset of value to do so and has no intent on following up their attack.
-Sov should always be about the fleet (small or large) game play. As such entosising a structure should have always required multiple concurrent modules to at least begin the attack. Number of attackers required based on system index seems the most cut and dry way to address this.
-Sov is brutal and expensive, if the best the attacker can field are small frigates then they never had a role in holding sov to begin with. Hull locking to Recons, BC/CS, and Capitals - for one does not feel arbitrary - but requires the attacker to have some skin in the game but still allows for covert/light scale attacks to be made.


PLEASE CCP, listen to us! Don't say you're listening to us, actually LISTEN.

To that, I do recognize and greatly appreciate the reduction in rf capture timers as that was one of the complaints brought up, but at the end of the day is not the the major issue (likely just the easiest to address if I had to guess).
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#489 - 2015-08-19 18:16:37 UTC
Does moa actually rat and mine in the systems they take

Do they even rat or mine in 5z, I thought they made money in highsec whenever 5z gets camped

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Robert Warner
Back Door Burglars
#490 - 2015-08-19 18:18:47 UTC
I'm terribly sorry, CCP, but these changes only highlight how out of touch the company have become with the community and with making an enjoyable gaming experience as a whole. I would like to elaborate as follows:

1. As sovereignty holders, the entire task of capturing command nodes for uncontested systems is a complete and utter waste of our time as players. Exactly who at CCP believes that players want to orbit a series of structures because some guy in an interceptor tripped the sovereignty and never returned?

2. Interceptors aren't fun. As a sovereignty holder I want some action. When someone is tripping my sovereignty I want to expect at least some fight, even if it's only a decent 1 vs 1. Warping in to find an interceptor burning away at speed is hardly quality game time.

Fixes are simple:

1. Uncontested sov falls back to original owner after a time lapse.

2. Entosis links fit only on larger ships (at the very least, cruiser).

Until this happens, ladies and gentlemen, we're going to continue to complain and null sec is going to continue to empty.

The core problem is not only the number of command nodes and time to claim them - it's that your sovereignty system is crap!

We don't want to spend any time making responses to 'sov trolls' - NONE! Unless someone is making a half decent attempt and we're likely to get at least some content, we can't be bothered playing with it.

I must say I am extremely disappointed at the extremely slow response and disconnected nature of the company of late. I think you need to all sit down and think about how a company which used to be so in touch with player aspirations has become completely resolute to follow its own ends blindly, at the expense of player loyalty.
Alp Khan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#491 - 2015-08-19 18:20:26 UTC
Captain StringfellowHawk wrote:
Back when every MAJOR power bloc started rolling out their own versions of Brave Dojo because


I need to make a slight correction on history & the chronology about this tidbit: Certain major power blocs already had programs similar to Brave Dojo before Brave was established. Moreover, there were also other in-game non-aligned venues such as Rookie Help channel that functioned similarly. However, if Dojo was a place where applications and classes were frequent, maybe that would be a proper differentiator regarding history.

Just a thought. :P
Icycle
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#492 - 2015-08-19 18:20:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Icycle
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Does moa actually rat and mine in the systems they take

Do they even rat or mine in 5z, I thought they made money in highsec whenever 5z gets camped


no, instead we go to your home system and kill all your ratters and laugh at you while you are camping 5z thats full of alts. Twisted
It is no secret that we actually kill more CFC when we are hell camped than when we are not Lol
Same as its no secret that we kill at least twise as more CFC than you do us Lol
It is also no secret that CFC has had many ops to get rid off MOA and all failed on its head Lol
bigbillthaboss3
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#493 - 2015-08-19 18:22:14 UTC
Nasar Vyron wrote:


CCP, let me make this clear. Everyone who has skin in sov null has said the exact same thing many many times already any yet you still seem to be focused on what you perceive as the problem and not what we are telling you is the problem.


This. This needs to be repetitively copied and pasted throughout the thread.

Nasar Vyron wrote:
To that, I do recognize and greatly appreciate the reduction in rf capture timers as that was one of the complaints brought up.


...and this too I guess.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#494 - 2015-08-19 18:24:01 UTC
Robert Warner wrote:
1. Uncontested sov falls back to original owner after a time lapse.


Build this into node decay: if a node decays, it counts as a defensive win.
Gella Delon
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#495 - 2015-08-19 18:26:28 UTC
Icycle wrote:
bigbillthaboss3 wrote:
Icycle wrote:
~irrelevent hurf blurf~ Big smile



Does MOA own sov? No.
Does MOA plan on owning sov? No.
Does MOA have any interest in sov mechanics? No.
Is this thread about sov? Yes.


Why are you guys even in here, much less commenting? If you want ~gud fights~ you don't even need to attack our sov, just bring something other than blops bridges and interceptors.


lol
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Mordus_Angels

I dont have to say more.


You have no ihubs you idiot, TCU's are worthless in the current system.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#496 - 2015-08-19 18:28:55 UTC
Gella Delon wrote:
Icycle wrote:
bigbillthaboss3 wrote:
Icycle wrote:
~irrelevent hurf blurf~ Big smile
Does MOA own sov? No.
Does MOA plan on owning sov? No.
Does MOA have any interest in sov mechanics? No.
Is this thread about sov? Yes.


Why are you guys even in here, much less commenting? If you want ~gud fights~ you don't even need to attack our sov, just bring something other than blops bridges and interceptors.


lol
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Mordus_Angels

I dont have to say more.


You have no ihubs you idiot, TCU's are worthless in the current system.
They get a name on there so their overlord can claim they are winning. They'll be CONDI soon enough, even moa themselves know they don't stand a chance of holding them.

The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.

Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.

Icycle
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#497 - 2015-08-19 18:30:43 UTC
Gella Delon wrote:
Icycle wrote:
bigbillthaboss3 wrote:
Icycle wrote:
~irrelevent hurf blurf~ Big smile



Does MOA own sov? No.
Does MOA plan on owning sov? No.
Does MOA have any interest in sov mechanics? No.
Is this thread about sov? Yes.


Why are you guys even in here, much less commenting? If you want ~gud fights~ you don't even need to attack our sov, just bring something other than blops bridges and interceptors.


lol
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Mordus_Angels

I dont have to say more.


You have no ihubs you idiot, TCU's are worthless in the current system.

I am not doing your job for you! I dont need no facilitate your structure grinding.
Gella Delon
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#498 - 2015-08-19 18:32:26 UTC
Icycle wrote:
Luckelly for us we dont have many blues and completelly surrounded by reds. We got more targets than we can shoot.
Maybe thats the secret to play the game and quit whining why no one will engage you?
Reset standing, get thousands of targets and get into a ship. Its your fault, not CCP.
Nobody wants blobs or TIDI. It destroys the game. In the old days this game had so much to offer cos there was no blue donut. Now its all about who has the largest coalition. Its perversed and I hope CCP mans up about it some day really destroys this blue blobs that has done nothing for the game but drive it to the ground Big smile


HI, hello. There are approximately 40 people that believe and support and feel the way you do about 0.0, the 40 of you that roam everyday

Compared to 107,881 people that are currently members of some kind of coalition (a gathering of alliances)


http://rischwa.net/coalitions/
Icycle
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#499 - 2015-08-19 18:33:10 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Gella Delon wrote:
Icycle wrote:
bigbillthaboss3 wrote:
Icycle wrote:
~irrelevent hurf blurf~ Big smile
Does MOA own sov? No.
Does MOA plan on owning sov? No.
Does MOA have any interest in sov mechanics? No.
Is this thread about sov? Yes.


Why are you guys even in here, much less commenting? If you want ~gud fights~ you don't even need to attack our sov, just bring something other than blops bridges and interceptors.


lol
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Mordus_Angels

I dont have to say more.


You have no ihubs you idiot, TCU's are worthless in the current system.
They get a name on there so their overlord can claim they are winning. They'll be CONDI soon enough, even moa themselves know they don't stand a chance of holding them.


Actually we do it cos we can mostly but also to anoy CFC. Its a distraction and when we dont get blobed we do have fun Lol
bigbillthaboss3
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#500 - 2015-08-19 18:35:40 UTC  |  Edited by: bigbillthaboss3
Icycle wrote:


Actually we do it cos we can mostly but also to anoy CFC. Its a distraction and when we dont get blobed we do have fun Lol


And we finally arrive to the issue at hand, sov trolling. Thank you for ironically supporting the mass opinion regarding current game-play issues.

Also, please start posting your rabble into Word or something to check for grammar errors etc. Your posts are making everyone's eyes bleed.