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How many Citadels can be in a system at one time? I haven't read anything about that yet, although I may have missed something along the way.


Asset safety and people being podded when a structure is destroyed: Not really a "magic wand" for stuff being saved, rather a "lifeboat" system for your stuff. I'd imagine (lore wise etc) that any space faring civilisation would think of redundancies like "what happens if things go **** up?" and plan accordingly. Station / citadel / whatever - under attack and destruction imminent. People would be all geared up to leave not sitting around with their thumbs up their sphincters. Grabbing what they can and loading up from their hangers sounds reasonable.

So, structure gets destroyed. Hell yeah or hell no!! Depending on which side you are on.
- Destroyed structure can be mined / salvaged etc for recoverable resources. as you are suggesting. Rigs destroyed etc etc.

- Assets: hangers are ejected from the huge ball of destruction that ensues and the asset recovery system kicks in. Either you pay for it to be delivered to an NPC station or it is delivered to another Player Owned one. How about a refinement to this? Another option is that the ejected hanger / lifeboat is registered as a location in your journal and you can either arrange to try and pick it up yourself or pay for someone to get it for you. Either way this option exposes these assets to further danger as whatever ship(s) used to recover them would be vulnerable as usual, but this allows you control of where the assets end up finally. People could contract specialised Corps that might emerge (like current Haulage corps - Red Frog etc) that deal with salvage and recovery. Rather than a straight 10% going to an NPC people can choose whether to pay a player / corp / alliance and encourage a new style of game play*.
- The location remains viable until all assets are removed from the hanger but the hanger is password protected so only authorised people can access it. If you don't remove everything at once you could end up with the location camped / book-marked etc, so as soon as you enter system prepared people can hunt you (similar to Super-cap hunters I guess). Alternatively the location moves, ejected hangers are an un-scanable spatial phenomenon, drifting on random orbits like comets around the system. Owners would be able to warp directly to them whilst potential hunters would have to scan the player down each time.
- Once accessed the location starts to degrade, eventually being consumed by the sun for example. This applies a fixed window within which to recover assets from a location.

- Characters are ejected in a ship from aforementioned huge ball of destruction. Mechanic wise maybe they eject in a random (assembled) ship, or can specify one beforehand if they are online and active during the destruction of a structure. Logged out players: choose from whatever assembled and fitted ships were in hanger at the time of destruction when they next log in (the others go into the ejecting hanger, are destroyed or are scattered in the explosion and can be hunted down and recovered by those so inclined maybe). In either case the destruction of a structure produces such a huge ball of destruction that it temporarily overloads all ships (within the system) sensors and the ejecting ships cannot be targeted, they come to rest randomly scattered throughout the system (ignoring bubbles that may have been setup to camp the station etc). People would have to choose wisely which ship they eject in, your shiny battleship may look great but the chances of getting out of a system actively being attacked by enemies might be slim.

- Any inactive clones within the structure are destroyed. (Maybe allow people to jump into whichever clone they prefer as the station is being destroyed. This gives inactive players a chance to save top end clones and gives juicy targets to the people attacking the structure as they hunt down the survivors.)

- Wormhole Asset Safety: Hmmmm..... hmmmmm. As above maybe. Wormhole life is dangerous after all. Specialist groups could emerge dedicated to recovering stuff from WHs. For example, a corp/alliance, based in Thera which is contracted to recover assets from a WH. They then have to find said WH, either scanning it down themselves, or buying that information from someone who has already scanned it down. They then have to arrange a convoy of sufficient size to recover assets, arranging protection for the convoy as they see fit. Contracts with collateral could be used, similar to the ones used for hauling etc. As people can choose which ship they eject from structure in (as I suggested above), I'd imagine WH people would eject in a scanning ship so they can find their way back to inhabited space and arrange help. Wormholes are inherently different from the rest of the game, cut off and isolated, dangerous and unpredictable. The risks and rewards are larger and this would carry through to asset recovery etc, however there should be some form of asset recovery for WHs albeit different from that used in known space. i.e. no automatic recovery to NPC
stations.


Oh well that's just my thoughts after reading through stuff here. A few possible ideas to consider maybe and for others more experienced to discuss, build on or just discard.

So far I like the ideas CCP are putting forward and am interested to see how things develop.

My first pass through this made me feel happier about using a citadel. The point about the manipulation of prices needs to be restricted by a ceiling in terms of the 10% cost, personally I would have it at 5%. People like me have built up a huge asset base over an extended period but don't have a lot of liquid assets, I certainly would not be able to cover my assets at 10% of their value, though of course I would only put a part of them at risk if I could, well I will work that one out when the time comes and of course how you impact NPC stations in NPC 0.0 for example.

I noted on here people wanting the charge for moving stuff to be given to them as the people who destroyed the citadel, ignore that please, there are enough reasons to kill a Citadel as there is without making them ISK fountains for lazy people looking for easy things to shoot.

There is an alternative, I keep asking for a structure for sole players or small groups, that can be cloaked, which has a limited storage capacity for both ships and items. When you arrive in its location it decloaks and can be scanned down while uncloaked, once you are docked it cloaks again. It has the ability to re-ffit and can repair using nano paste. When you undock you break the cloak until you are 5 km from it. What if you just set up a number of these structures in system for the people who lost stuff in a citadel being destroyed, so they still have skin in the game in the area where the lost citadel was. Then just send the bigger items as you have suggested. Maybe that would be a better way to do it. The player will recieve BM's for the location of these structures, as would all those who have CEO or director level in terms of corp assets. This will enable people to keep fighting in that system.

But overall I like what you are doing here because you have realised that just handing assets to people who can blow stuff up easily will mean the majority of people will not risk it, certainly that is my mentality, but I am rather concerned still about your plans for NPC 0.0 because now where I am its not a simple matter of jumping stuff out in Carriers.

From what I read, we don't only lose our clone when we are docked in the station, we also lose our jump clones too?

i.e. I am docked in citadel with my active clone +3 implants, and I have a jump clone with full set of +5 implant in the same citadel. When citadel gets destroyed, I lose a total of 1 set of +3 implant and 1 set of +5 implant?

Isn't this mechanic seem quite overwhelming? Say, I take 2 weeks vacation, comes back, found my alliance lost the citadel and find myself docked in a neutral station and lost 2 sets of implants PLUS pay 10% cost to all my assets in station?

Gotta love such comments from people sitting in NPC stations and talking about risk. If they remove all NPC stations in complete game so that nobody can sit and hide then you have a point. Else nobody sane is going to use the new structures (except maybe us as chances of losing one are low enough).

I would still prefer that the entosis link drops a stations resists rather than reinforcing/destroying them. That way station destruction would be significantly sped up but still require shiny big guns...

So if I'm reading this right (doubtful) A guy comes along and gets lucky with the vulnerability timer. He then sets about using the Entosis link, but then I get online, and target him, he then warps off.

Does the entosis reset to 0? ie if he was 20 mins into a 60 min timer would it restart at 40 mins or 60 mins?

To me if the link is disrupted it should revert to 0.

Also this public availability part. Is that for all the facilities, reprocessing, manufacturing etc.

If it is I presume that I would set the tax? If indeed they can use them who provides the fuel? Bearing in mind that the individual structures only use fuel when put online.

Also using them as a market, same thing really. Just me or if it's made public could anyone put stuff up for sale?

Lastly, docking a ship...if the place gets trashed I get back those, but what about the moored ones?

As for the 10% recovery fee, np. I don't leave stuff in my pos anyway so why would I leave it all in a Citadel?

1. Anchor 3 citadels near gates in 2gate system (Hello Rancer!)
2. Fit Citadel smartbombs
3. Put characters on Citadel gunners role
4. Activate smartbombs
5. Go to sleep
6. ???
7. KILLMAILS!

Actually, citadel smartbomb will make impossible to use Tech 1 Entosis link. It will destroy all stuff near structure: = and + pods, notank frigates, cynonoobships and other small stuff.

Stuff teleportation to NPC stations in my EVE? Thanks, but no. It`s no WoW mails with items.
My opinion: citadel with my stuff > enemy destroy citadel > citadel wreck and big floating indestructible container with character stuff. Do you want you tems back? Create new citadel and relocate items from container.

I like the idea to see a Citadel entering a scuttling process of 30 sec or whatever, ejecting all pods and rescues ships + Capital and Super emergancy warping out before it explodes.

As long as they will not be destroyed by shooting, it will make sens to have such a protocol and would give a dramatic momentum to the scene + a little bit of realism instead to have all that stuff just volatilized and reappearing X jumps away 5 days later à la Houdini

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Thanks for this feedback, well put.

You cannot just take it down immediately, you have to wait out a vulnerability window and it cannot be already in reinforce or one of the later vulnerable stages.

Also the time until your next vulnerability window starts is visible by scouting the structure, if anyones find a structure that comes out at 4am I'm fairly confident that information will spread to players online at that time which would be bad news for you.