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Will outposts ever be phased out in a similar manner to how POSs are to be? If not, don't expect many citadels when outposts still provide 100% protection of your stuff.

I apologies if my question has been previously asked and I'm not quite sure if I will get an answer, but I must ask...

So if I recall correctly you would be able to configure a Citadel for manufacturing, giving people incentive to build ships as well as other commodities that are in high demand in great quantities. I can understand that CCP wouldn't want to make the minerals that are involved in builds obtainable after the destruction of a Citadel, but what about high volumes of items or capital ships which require billions in materials. For a single miner out in Nullsec it can take months to obtain such quantities which result in weeks of build time.

Has CCP considered this as an issue? On an alliance scale these losses can seem small, but to a single industrialist who has worked hard to obtain the materials himself could lose months of work unless I'm getting the wrong end of the stick... Why will industrialists risk these longer or high quantity builds in Citadel's if this is the case?

I would appreciate any answer as I am a player which does a lot of manufacturing inside outposts and these changes will have a great impact on my game play, be it negative or positive. I just worry that Industrialists might lose out a little on this one...

Quick question -- when determining which NPC station to send items to upon outpost destruction, will the game use the distance between solar systems in terms of physical distance in light years or number of gate connections between systems? The example posited in the devblog uses EC-P8R as the source and Anin as the destination, and Anin is the closest lowsec system to EC-P8R both in terms of gates AND physical distance in light years.

From the blog:
"Build another Citadel in the same system to replace the one that has been lost, and deliver the items there. This option will be working the same way for all locations, and will be the only way to recover items out of wormhole space. "

I'm Comander Sonko and I Approve of this devblog!

Thanks I missed that last part.

TBH, I don't know how I feel about this whole thing, but having this magical NPC teleport that gets your stuff safe from a citadel that gets destroyed sounds extremely risk-averse and un-EVE like. The level of security that it provides (recovering 90% of your stuff that was stuck) sounds really like a reward for not defending. People are just gonna go: "**** this, let the morons waste time killing it and we'll just grab our stuff in some station". It definitely does not feel like a big loss for the enemy that you're trying to punt out of somewhere. You put in the time to burn their **** and they lose only 10% of their stuff (in the form of ISK impound tax), not to mention the attacker does not get rewarded for killing a structure. Currently killing a POS drops you loot from the hangars and all (the famous loot-pinata) and I can tell you, it's a distinct pleasure when you can loot something out of someone's POS like that. I don't see why stuff should be magically teleported from the destroyed structures. After all, the structures will have reinforce timers like outpost currently have, right? So let them evac their stuff like it's done now in outposts, and if they can't, well, they should have fleeted up and tried. Here are some suggestions that I think might make this system better or at least more rewarding for the people that put in the effort to actually attack the structures:

- Corp and personal stuff should at least in part (25-50%) drop for the attacker like in the current POS mechanics. It would be the reward for wasting time on several reinforcement timers and/or fleet actions.

- I still think people should lose stuff from their citadels like happens with POSes today, however if a system is introduced for people to recover stuff from destroyed structures (magical NPC pony freight service) at least make the loss sting. People should lose at least 50% of their assets if not more, and not a miserly 10% (in ISK no less). The ONLY exception should be the pod and the ship the pilot was sitting in when he logged off. This would mimic the current situation when people log off in POSes can log in after the structure is destroyed and get away with the ship they were currently in. This would make sense as well fluffwise since IIRC the idea was that ships 'moor' into the citadel; and scenes of ships scrambling away from a burning space structure are a dime a dozen in SF movies and so on. It would also prevent having to resort to annoying workarounds like the 'log in in space to save the pod', mentioned previously.

- Related to what was mentioned above, the pilot logging in after his citadel is destroyed should respawn with his ship in the same system where the citadel was. In my opinion they should respawn at the same place where the citadel was placed, but I would consider the option that they appear at a random safe spot somewhere in space, although I'm not so sure about this because it would prevent people being 'bubble-caged' and hence 'reward' them with an increased chance of survival. This would need further discussion.

Edit: NVM, completely misread something.

LOCKED BPO's

So I read about the cans having their passwords cleared. My question is about any BPO's that may be locked down in hangars.

Since BPO's will be moved via the safe transport mechanism, will they arrive at the new location locked down or unlocked?

If they arrive unlocked, that seems like a workaround to the shareholder mechanics and could be exploited. On the cans you mention making sure you restrict roles so only certain people can recover items from lost citadels. This is a more complex issue with BPO's than other items. A person who would be trusted to recover items may not be trusted to recover BPO's.

Will a new role be created for "recovery" or will this fall under the category of "accountant / Jr. Accountant"? Perhaps add a "grantable role" via a Title?

Assuming BPO's arrive unlocked, this system could also be abused by corps that do not want to have to wait the 24 hours after an unlock vote (not to mention the ungodly click fest of locking / unlocking BPO's). They could unanchor the citadel forcing all items inside to get safe transported and will have saved themselves a ton of time and aggravation.

Thanks,
Acks

Pinatas for everyone, high, low, null and whs. It's only right.

And let all the clones die - if this creates a new meta where people stop having ridiculous ehp from full slave sets or almost unprobable boosting t3s from halos because their alliance mates might **** up whilst their I the Bahamas, then good riddance ;)