EVE General Discussion

Did you prefer shooting at structure?
At least its cheaper in ammo this way (for some, anyway)

Yes, I have firsthand experience, before and now.

If you want a real fight, its same as before.
Look to your leadership instead as to why they blue all your potential targets and wont lead you to large aggressive action.

Have you even read the dev blog on this?
It obviates any comment I have to make.
Its all there as CCPs plans and explained in detail.

Gotta love every time I check back here we have more people not in null, claiming they were at some point, telling us all to HTFU and deal with the new mechanics. When this entire post was not calling for their opinions at all, let alone their attacks upon us who are dealing with it.

Fact is, by in large, it is not fun to be the defender and it's not always fun to be a serious attacker as a smaller alliance (so I've read here). It is only fun to be the troll attacker with no intentions outside of wasting players time by making them chase you or waste time capturing uncontested RF nodes.

Requiring more players to entosis a structure would at least give more than 1 person some "action." At least in Dominion sov everyone got to shoot something. I and many others don't have fun orbiting a gate as a part of some massive gate camp as someone else orbits a structure with a magical laser tyvm.

I have heard some horror stories out of a few CFC friends about their current activities forced or otherwise and their attitude is almost identical to our own. Very few are happy with this, and patience is wearing thin.


For these reasons alone we of sov null can confidentially say this iteration of Fozzie Sov is a massive failure and needs change quick.

Our leadership can't make line members go on fleets that they don't want to be on. The node bullshit is killing fleet participation in ways I don't expect you to understand.
Our leadership can't make FCs not make excuses for not taking out fleets. We had several who were actually enthusiastic about this system, until it turned out to be garbage.
Our leadership can't stop people from running around in uncatchable fits. They can call it "guerrilla warfare" all they want. Timerboard paints a very different picture.
Our leadership can't solve any of the problems with this sov iteration that are actually problems.

Oh, absolutely. Unfortunately, that plan requires people actually wanting to play Eve.
If that's not in CCP's vision, then yeah, I'll just retire to Jabber, Mumble, and forums and call it a day. As I said before, I enjoy the people I play with, far more than I actually enjoy playing the game.

Grr Goons, just hurry up and die to massadeath already

edit: Highsec, Lowesec, NPC nullsec and sov nullsec attackers enjoy it, only sov nullsec defenders don't. So that's op success by any metric

I think I am seeing the divide here, most of the established sov entities are used to using their sov to plex their accounts. And they resent anything that would interfere with that. Hence the hatred of MOA and its tendency to drop on ratting ships, and explains the hatred of fozziesov. They actually have to do something now.

I hate ratting, I find it boring so i don't do it. If you find defending your space boring the solution is simple, don't do it. It is not expensive to pay for a sub, spend your time in eve doing things you find fun rather than worrying about buying a plex or keeping your coalitions flag over some system you never even visit.

The whole "we (someone else that is, so I guess now it's moa) is taking them down, we (someone else that is) are winning and the evil empire will fall while we (the people who can't be bothered to do anything) are winning to our (someone else that is) efforts at last!" syndrome

I'm having an alright time with it, but it can get really tedious sometimes. Like when we go to hit an enemy's system nodes in force, they almost always show up. We get lots of fights out of them. But then at home we need to deal with trolls running our nodes and disrupting stuff in our home systems, and it's boring as hell to have to deal with all the nodes all the time. Like, they don't even fight us, they just warp away before we can catch them. Then they go to a different system, run nodes there, or just log off until you forget they exist, log back on, and keep going at it. We can't ignore them, because our systems will get super vulnerable if we do, and that'll lead to the enemy attacking us, but dealing with these assholes is a major pain.

I'll say this: Fozzie Sov has definitely gotten us a lot more pvp since it's been implemented. Black Rise has never been more crowded.

I think you'll be sad. Seeing the sheer number of "fozziesov sucks" posts on reddit and the responses from CCP Falcon, it's clear they are rapidly looking at how to fix the broken system. I'd be quite surprised if they don;t do things we have suggested, such as increasing the minimum ship size for entosis links, burning out entosis links that go out of range and resetting systems where node have spawned but no attackers have gone after them.

It's a massive ******* failure, is what it is.

Aside from POS shoots, only guerrilla tactics are valid in this environment and most of this time is spent traveling between nodes, or orbiting them with an entosis link.

I think mining is more fun, honestly.