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If only there were some way for a few guys in cheap subcaps to slow the hell out of capital gate travel

As a remote-repping triage-capable ship with drone bonuses that can carry a tower, hardeners, and a clone bay? It was conceivably a one-ship invasion, actually. Especially if the ships it's carrying are battle-ventures.

When CCP decided to alter the jump range of capitals and also introduced the fatigue mechanic the primary purpose was to limit force projection and traveling vast distances in a short amount of time. Now with the 'new' mechanics this has turned the game into a game of logistics, a game of 'waiting'.

The virtual effect of this was to make New Eden 'larger again' in terms of travel time and hardship.

Questions:

1) Have CCP considered that expanding the Universe itself by a factor as well as a reduced fatigue mechanic could have bought the desired effect the game was looking for?

2) Can CCP show us what the effect the Jump range reduction and Fatigue mechanics have had on:

a) Travel/migration patterns.
b) Universal market activity Highsec vs Nullsec (before and after the changes)
c) Player activity after enuring fatigue, e.g they played in sub caps, logged off to wait out timers etc.

3) Are there any plans to remove jump fatigue for jump bridges?

4) Since before and after capital travel changes; can we have some stats on capital usage and how the player base has reacted in terms of the use of capitals. Secondly, is what the data shows the effect CCP anticipated ?

5) The fact that this discussion is taking place would indicate that all is not well with the community and this set of game mechanics. When they were employed into the game was there a back-up plan if it didn't work out or was it full steam ahead and hope for the best approach?

Whilst in principle i appreciate what the mechanics were trying to do, limit large scale quick capital movement, and in essence that was achieve but it has come at a cost to the playability of the game (personal view).

Possible options to discuss to reduce the pain:

1) Skill to reduce Jump Fatigue.
2) Remove Jump Fatigue on jump bridges
3) Jump Fatigue is dependent on ship mass. Therefore larger capitals are penalised more than smaller capitals.
4) Implants to reduce Jump Fatigue.



Thanks in advance.

Excellent point! Space needs to be more localized like this. The only thing I would like to see about jump fatigue change is it's effect on BLOPS BS and Bridges, Jump Bridges, and MAYBE Jump Freighters. JF fatigue isn't so bad TBH.

I think jump fatigue should be based on the size of the ship and the distance being jumped.

Limiting jump bridge networks has just slowed down content.

Bridging does not equal jumping for Black Ops or Titans

If you want to 'fix things' then have small ships dock in carriers and carriers jump. Carriers and Super Carriers should be able to jump sub caps.

I don't care for the 5 AU distance limitation but as a game I'd think that big ships should jump further than small ships and their fatigue should be greater regardless.

So a super carrier is big, it's jump range is far, it's cool down takes a long time.

A carrier is medium, it's jump range isn't as far, and it's cool down takes time.

A black ops is small, it's jump range is extensive (along the line of a jump freighter) and it's cool down is about the same as a JF.

I think Titan's should be able to jump (not bridge) across the map. (Titan's aren't the sov problem Supers were.) If a Titan jumps 100 light years and suffers 24 hours of jump fatigue that seems reasonable.

Simon

Nonsense. Bridging can be done from within your space into enemy space. Jump Bridges require the same power to hold both ends. This is not power projection, it's domestic travel.

Edit to add: What made jump bridges seem like such tools for power projection was the sheer sprawling size of empires - NA's rental space dominated the east side of the map the way the combined allianes of the CFC dominated the west side. So yes, people could use what amounted to the equivalent of continent-spanning highway systems to put the pedal down and cross vast distances. But those jump bridge networks relied on sprawling empires that can't exist anymore. You can't hold the space if you don't have the population density, and if there's an entity with enough people to maintain that population density across 50% of the conquerable systems in EVE...

... game over, man. Game over. 5 meters. That's inside the room.

1)
Have CCP considered to make Capital ships more different to partially solve current lack of mobility ?
Why each race cannot have different jump range , and different fatigue generation?
What will this change this , if people are using Archons or Chimeras?

For example.
Why Minmatar Carrier cannot have 50% increased jump range , and higher fatigue generation , while gallente carrier even bit shorter range , but 50% or more fatigue reduction.

Each carrier for specific task.
Why all capitals have to be the same?

This way specific carrier can fill specific role.

2) (or)
Why we cannot change way we are jumping ?
a) (current range) Jump directly to cyno
b) (+25% range) Jump to system where cyno is located - 50 % chance for warp drive malfunction for 3minutes , unable to cloak because of the effect
c) (+75% range) Jump to constellation where cyno is located - 75 % chance for warp drive malfunction for 3minutes , unable to cloak because of the effect

Increased jump range at grater risk and cost.



I hope for more smuggler gates , as this gate connections can solve most of the current mobility issues, provide choke points . They can be easily made non abusable by placing exit gates in station-less NPC systems.

Simple example from my own yard.
Connecting 2 smuggler gate connections can bring few regions back to life.
When you connect Paragon Soul and Stain , and then in the same system create connection to lowsec system you are solving tons of issues that Phoebe created for 'far' regions.

O4T-Z5 <-> LC-1ED<->Tirbam

NPC systems without stations.

Esoteria/Paragon Soul /Period Basis are more exposed to new groups contesting space.
Stain is more open for groups wanting to live in NPC space.
Lets move bit more, and create one more gate connection

3L-Y9M <-> LC-1ED

We are adding the same to Tenerifis , Impass, Omist and Feythabolis

3 smugglers gates that totally change way you live , and can access in 8 regions

The same approach can be used for other areas of null space.

I totally agree in this.
Jump bridges need to change.
This can be done in multiple ways - another possibility.
Jump bridges don't give you "blue timer" , but using jump bridge give you 5 minute "red timer".

Limiting them to one organization have its downsides - as many groups are split to 2 sub alliances.
First keeps all mains , and pvp characters, 2nd where you keep your alts ( cynos , JF, pve chars) , academy or friends.

So the question is :

Will CCP consider changing jump bridge mechanic that they don't provide any fatigue (blue timer) , but instead of it generate only reactivation timer?
5 minute red timer for jumps within same region , and 15 minutes* of red timer for Jump Bridges between regions.

*to block abuse in power projection.

Nor is any fleet doing that likely to be a 100% (or even 50%) goon fleet. So what you're really complaining about isn't jump bridges, it's politics.

it is working but it could still be working better


the "its not broke don't fix it" is not a mantra you should follow