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Share your experiences with Fozziesov!

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#581 - 2015-08-08 23:54:44 UTC
Maldiro Selkurk wrote:
No, you let min/maxing supersede fun, it isnt some kind of game requirement, you blame human nature but you do realize that most people playing video games, EVE or otherwise DONT min/max they settle for pretty damn good and leave it there because min/maxing tends to make playing a video game feel more like a job than a source of entertainment.

Choose fun and you'll find it, make excuses and you wont.
Generally speaking the people that don't minmax MMOS are the people that are terrible at playing them. You seem to think that minmaxing and fun can't go hand in hand, but in most games they can. Even in EVE, we can still minmax and have fun, we are just ignoring the vast majority of fozziesov to do it.

Maldiro Selkurk wrote:
You (nullsec) chose to have few fights before and you are choosing to have zero of them now, not because fozziesov has made big fights impossible, quite the contrary it has made them easier to get into but you are CHOOSING to fight fozziesov instead of CHOOSING to use it to get into big fights. And as i mentioned in other posts CCP cannot force you to have fun with fozziesov, you could choose to but..........you stubbornly wont.......by choice.

Instead you are throwing the biggest self-pity party in the history of EVE, congrats well played and to such a productive end.
No it hasn't. How in any reality s it now easier to get into fights?

In dominion sov we got into fights when we set them up or when someone legitimately wanted to take sov.
In fozziesov we get into fights when we set them up or when someone legitimately wants to take sov. The problem is that actually taking sov in the new system is boring as sin, so very few serious players want to do it and that number will decrease as people get bored of mining structures only to get roflstomped by the local blob.

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Loneball
PlexForce07
#582 - 2015-08-09 00:21:48 UTC
OK so you know what you want.

Tell me a specific system that will motivate you to fight every possible fight.

Removal Tool
ElitistOps
Snuffed Out
#583 - 2015-08-09 00:26:35 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
boring as sin


I've always found sin to be quite exciting, but yes, using a sov laser is boring as ****.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#584 - 2015-08-09 00:27:26 UTC
Loneball wrote:
OK so you know what you want.

Tell me a specific system that will motivate you to fight every possible fight.
I don;t know of a particular system that would do it off the top of my head, though to fix the current one so it would work considerably better than it does, I've already answered this.
I'd make the minimum ship size for entosis links a cruiser or possibly battle cruiser, I'd make entosis links burn out and require around half their cost if you move out of range while they are active, and I'd make it so that you need multiple links to start a capture (not so sustain it once started) in higher defence indices. What that would do is ensure more people attacking sov were doing so because they actually want to to take sov, not just to make the defenders send out a ship to chase them off every 5 minutes.

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Salvos Rhoska
#585 - 2015-08-09 00:34:59 UTC
Lucas Kell:
If as you say, you are losing population and interest to boredom, how about this:

Start a proper war.
Even better, start several.

Set the whole goddam universe on fire.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#586 - 2015-08-09 00:35:52 UTC
We're being invaded by moa!

Winter has arrived in deklein~~

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#587 - 2015-08-09 00:43:41 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Lucas Kell:
If as you say, you are losing population and interest to boredom, how about this:

Start a proper war.
Even better, start several.

Set the whole goddam universe on fire.
Why don't you start a war? Why should the onus fall on us to make up for terrible mechanics? When dominion sov was out, small groups complained that we owned too much space. Did they form up into coalitions and fight us? Not, they complained to no end about how the mechanics forced them to be too big. Now the mechanics allow them to be smaller and all they do is run away when engaged. Seems like it's always us that has to bear the burden of bad game mechanics.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#588 - 2015-08-09 02:46:25 UTC
A bunch of small groups -did- become pets of that one coalition that existed to destroy us.

Sadly, it seems they were destroyed instead...

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Rowells
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#589 - 2015-08-09 02:46:34 UTC
Unfortunately I haven't had the blessing of experiencing full blown fozziesov because:

A - our blue list is bigger than I would like

B - I am bad enough to play outside the vulnerability timer when any action does hit. HINT HINT NUDGE NUDGE WINK FRIKKEN WINK
Snowmann
Arrow Industries
#590 - 2015-08-09 05:32:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Snowmann
Lucas Kell wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Lucas Kell:
If as you say, you are losing population and interest to boredom, how about this:

Start a proper war.
Even better, start several.

Set the whole goddam universe on fire.
Why don't you start a war? Why should the onus fall on us to make up for terrible mechanics? When dominion sov was out, small groups complained that we owned too much space. Did they form up into coalitions and fight us? Not, they complained to no end about how the mechanics forced them to be too big. Now the mechanics allow them to be smaller and all they do is run away when engaged. Seems like it's always us that has to bear the burden of bad game mechanics.



Only stupid players would engage a significantly superior force in symmetric warfare when asymmetric means are available.
Yes, you are being engaged asymmetrically. Roll

Also, its not CCPs job in a sandbox game to create Sov mechanics that make you "want" to go to war. Its their job to create Sov mechanics to support you going to war. Its up to the player to want it.

In my Low Sec adventures I don't look to CCP to give me a reason to create content through direct fire. If someone appears in my space who has a standing of zero or less I just react and create the content simply because they are there.

Yes, we actually create our own content with the mechanics we are given.

And in the old Null Sec days when we had players engaging us asymmetrically we would chase them off and maybe get one or two them and then we formed up to fight one of our neighbors. We didn't blue the whole damn universe then complain we are bored and ask the Devs to give us a reason to fight.

This attitude that CCP needs to give you a reason to go to war is simply another sign of how stagnate many of the Null Sec players have become.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#591 - 2015-08-09 05:44:22 UTC
Anyway we have even more mining and ratting content

pvesov

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#592 - 2015-08-09 09:56:34 UTC
Snowmann wrote:
Only stupid players would engage a significantly superior force in symmetric warfare when asymmetric means are available.
Yes, you are being engaged asymmetrically. Roll
First off, forming a coalitions yourself makes you an equal force. Secondly, noone is engaging us in asymmetric war. Noone is actually attacking us for strategic victory. There's simply people who want to time waste since the system allows them to. You guys and your misunderstanding of how war works is funny.

Snowmann wrote:
Also, its not CCPs job in a sandbox game to create Sov mechanics that make you "want" to go to war. Its their job to create Sov mechanics to support you going to war. Its up to the player to want it.
Of course it is! It's 100% their job to create mechanics players want to use.

Snowmann wrote:
Yes, we actually create our own content with the mechanics we are given.
Good for you. We're going to create our own content by ignoring **** mechanics and farming isk.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#593 - 2015-08-09 11:10:33 UTC
It's pve content

We enjoy it, ok

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Eli Stan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#594 - 2015-08-09 16:16:31 UTC
Eli Stan wrote:
And now eight! Welcome, Suddenly Spaceships.
Looks like Boys without pants is declining to defend their claim. OSS, MC and VEGA continue to have TCUs up.


Continuing the narrative... Up to nine different alliances now. The Irukandji. took SLIP's system. And one of the MC systems is now unclaimed.
Snowmann
Arrow Industries
#595 - 2015-08-09 17:08:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Snowmann
Lucas Kell wrote:
Snowmann wrote:
Only stupid players would engage a significantly superior force in symmetric warfare when asymmetric means are available.
Yes, you are being engaged asymmetrically. Roll
First off, forming a coalitions yourself makes you an equal force. Secondly, noone is engaging us in asymmetric war. Noone is actually attacking us for strategic victory. There's simply people who want to time waste since the system allows them to. You guys and your misunderstanding of how war works is funny.



No one would do anything in this game without a purpose. There is always a reason. You may not see it or agree with it but there is one.

Strategic victory may not even be in anyone's mind when they are attacking you. Tactical victory over you or even psychological warfare against someone not even involved could be their objectives.

Even psychological warfare against CCP could be in the works.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#596 - 2015-08-09 17:26:03 UTC
Snowmann wrote:
No one would do anything in this game without a purpose. There is always a reason. You may not see it or agree with it but there is one.

Strategic victory may not even be in anyone's mind when they are attacking you. Tactical victory over you or even psychological warfare against someone not even involved could be their objectives.

Even psychological warfare against CCP could be in the works.
You can dress it up however you want, but it's people who want to use the fact that the mechanics are boring to make the game dull for certain players. It's a failure of the mechanics to do what they were intended to do, which is make the act of competing for sov entertaining for all involved.

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Snowmann
Arrow Industries
#597 - 2015-08-09 21:16:02 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Snowmann wrote:
No one would do anything in this game without a purpose. There is always a reason. You may not see it or agree with it but there is one.

Strategic victory may not even be in anyone's mind when they are attacking you. Tactical victory over you or even psychological warfare against someone not even involved could be their objectives.

Even psychological warfare against CCP could be in the works.
You can dress it up however you want, but it's people who want to use the fact that the mechanics are boring to make the game dull for certain players. It's a failure of the mechanics to do what they were intended to do, which is make the act of competing for sov entertaining for all involved.



I would suggest that what you and many others are looking for is for the mechanics to allow you to force others to fight on your terms alone, what you think is fun.
I would also suggest that not everyone agrees with that, so you will never find something that satisfies all.

There may be a middle ground which CCP could find, but you can't expect to please everyone. And no, current Sov holders are not the only ones who should be or are concerned with this.

There are groups who like to interfere with Sov holders' claims without the desire to ever hold Sov. Their views are just as valid.






Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#598 - 2015-08-09 22:01:32 UTC
Snowmann wrote:
I would suggest that what you and many others are looking for is for the mechanics to allow you to force others to fight on your terms alone, what you think is fun.
Then you'd be wrong. It's that simple. It's been explained hundreds of times over and there's no possible way you still don't get it, leading me to believe you have no interest in what we actually want. I'm not going to continue to rehash the same conversation over and over with you. CCP know that what they've put in doesn't do what they wanted it to do and they'll act accordingly.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#599 - 2015-08-09 22:18:57 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
CCP know that what they've put in doesn't do what they wanted it to do and they'll act accordingly.

I thought they declared op success already...

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#600 - 2015-08-09 22:23:42 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
CCP know that what they've put in doesn't do what they wanted it to do and they'll act accordingly.
I thought they declared op success already...
P probably. Though they've made such a mess of the whole system and so shockingly missed the goals they set that I don't know how they'd even pass it off as a success with a straight face.

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