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The Rorqual was given the 5LY range because of fears that the Drone Damage Bonus would make the a rorqual a gank machine and the whole process of limiting power projection would be de-railed.

So since we are playing Parliamentary Procedure I guess the question would be...

Is the Rorqual's Drone Damage bonus still considered too strong to allow the Rorqual to have a 10ly Range?
Would you need to remove the Drone Damage Bonus in order to give the Rorqual a 10ly range?

Of course this lacks the context of talking about what emergent roles the Rorqual has lost due to being kneecapped at 5ly. So the discussion ends up focusing around the Drone Damage Bonus instead of how the ship is actually used and how that has been negatively effected.

If I had to guess, the rorqual revolves around the new structures. They won't announce anything until determinations are made regarding moon mining arrays. All from what I get is NDA. Maybe a year basically.

Different people enjoying different aspects does not indicate that those different people enjoy multiple aspects, only that those aspects are different.

For example, I enjoy capitals and battleships. Both have been **** on repeatedly by CCP, but only caps and bridges apply to this thread. Goon's weaponised tedium, but CCP are trying to make a game based on it.

Now that fozzisov is around, can we get rid of fatigue completely?

Q: What do you think about removing titan bridging completely in combination with making carriers / super carriers literal "carriers" and forcing pilots with their ships to board them in order to be jumped to a fight in a destination system? It seems like it would put capitals on field and give them a real role again.

P.S. Recommend 7-9 LY for Dreads / Supers and 9-12 LY for carriers regardless. LOVE the current fatigue system. It has given us back In general though, the ranges are slightly too short and some of the choke-points are currently extremely difficult to navigate.

I prefer the way that it is now. If it was any different, small alliances would be completely afraid to use dreads or supers again. That was not good. In order to protect their dreads and supers, everyone got into shaky blue status with groups like NC. or the old CFC.

The only changes that I would prefer with jump fatigue are changes to covert ops bridges. Blops are too risky to use now and take too much time. Blops used to bring a whole lot more content. I feel like Blops are the unfortunate bystander victim of the Phoebe jump fatigue changes.

Otherwise the only thing that I can think of is reducing the fatigue for Dreads and Carriers but keeping it about the same for Titans or Supercarriers. The new range limits are great though.

Making a game play aspect boring and time consuming in order to balance it is a terrible game design choice no matter how you look at it.

A set of kinda-linked questions:

Is Jump Fatigue a needed evil because of the current state of capitals, or is it felt to be needed even if Capital fleets weren't in the state they currently are? Could a heavy rebalance to the nature of Capitals see Jump Fatigue removed, or are all future thoughts for Capitals being supported on an assumption Jump Fatigue will remain in place in perpetuity?

Is any full Capital rebalance dependant/reliant on the complete roll-out of the new structure system?

Is it in our interest to support as early-as-possible removal/replacement of POSes in order to get capitals rebalanced?

Rationale: It has kinda been my opinion that the problem with Caps/Supers is they are balanced around the ability/necessity to damage/repair high-hp structures. This means they need massive dps, which means they have to have even more massive ehp to survive the dps of their own class. With the introduction of entosis-sov, this fundamental underlying requirement is going away, and once POS are fully replaced and removed, there will be no need for this massive structure-grind dps. How this relates to Jump Fatigue, is that it only seems needed due to the massive blocks of high-dps invincibility that full cap-fleets currently represent, if that could change (and I personally believe once POS are gone, it can), it doesn't seem so mandatory anymore.

Phoebe's jump mechanic changes is the best thing what happened with lowsec in the last years. These changes greatly increased the number of small capital fights occuring in the regions with low security. Everyone who live in these regions and have jump-capable ship can now use it without constant threat of nullsec blobbers coming after big ships in next 10 minutes.

As for nullsec, people who live there are now feel completely safe and they use capitals in any way that you can think of and they dont even have to think about consequences of camping gates with titans and so on. Nullsec dwellers from the fartherst corners of the galaxy simply cannot lose a capital fight unless there is a sovwar. There is no way to bring capital reinforcements to tenal\CE\Paragon soul\omist\most of deklein and many other regions unless you live around (claim holder).

Wouldn't it be any better if nullsec had a 50(75,100)% jump range bonus for all capitals? That could do good for both - claim holders and those who want to fight with them.

Blobs are powerful when no one can reasonably assemble a like force, if you could assemble a force that rivals the blob, then you can fight. Right now in order to fight a Gate camp with titans and SC, it would take 2 weeks to move to a system close enough to make it in one jump.

Gate camps typically don't last 2 weeks, or if they move gates, it takes another 2 weeks to move in range of that.....